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A ride that touches every single Pittsburgh neighborhood

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jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 9:10am #

Updated cue sheet, added first rest stop. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SsCVLENRv4Z2I0Z3B1eFc2dU0/edit?usp=sharing. Tomorrow 8 am.


stefb

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Aug 16 2013 at 10:16am #

Is there a final gpx file?


jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 10:36am #

There’s no change to the gpx, the route is the same as before. I just fixed the cue sheet. The only thing to watch for that’s not on the gpx is the rest stop on Celeron Street, which should be easy to catch since it’s right near Forbes & Braddock.


Jacob McCrea

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Aug 16 2013 at 11:46am #

Nice work on the cue sheet, Jon.

By my count we have about 20 confirmed riders. If anyone else from the board plans to attend, kindly send me an email (jcm250b at juno dot com) to confirm so that we have enough food. There are no entry fees, sign in sheets, recondite liability waivers, requests for donations to save an endangered snail in Malaysia, etc., so an email is not too much to ask. It will be a good time.


paulheckbert

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Aug 16 2013 at 1:19pm #

jonawebb wrote:Updated cue sheet, added first rest stop. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0SsCVLENRv4Z2I0Z3B1eFc2dU0/edit?usp=sharing. Tomorrow 8 am.

Jon, your cue sheet says “Sept. 16, 2013″ but the ride is tomorrow, right?


jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 1:43pm #

Jeepers, I did the carry wrong. And I already sent it to the printer. Well, people will have to understand…


Mikhail

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Aug 16 2013 at 2:02pm #

Well, now you are bound to September 16th, 2013 too. :)


jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 2:10pm #

It comes from going back and forth between European and American dates in my head, and then translating into words.


stefb

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Aug 17 2013 at 6:57am #

I woke up with food poisoning so I couldn’t make it :(

Maybe if others had to miss this today we could do a self supported ride sometime in the future? Hope you all have a good time.


reddan

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Aug 17 2013 at 8:52am #

I woke up with food poisoning so I couldn’t make it :(

Maybe if others had to miss this today we could do a self supported ride sometime in the future? Hope you all have a good time.

I’m near the end of a release, so going to the office today instead of riding. :-(

A make-up ride for us lamers sounds like a good idea.


Pierce

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Aug 17 2013 at 1:03pm #

I’d be up for that, I’m supposed to be working on something else today as well :/


cburch

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Aug 17 2013 at 2:18pm #

You guys should do it on sept 16


paulheckbert

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Aug 18 2013 at 8:01am #

The ride yesterday was a lot of fun! I enjoyed it more than last year. Splitting into two groups, fast and slow, was smart, because that way the fast people didn’t resent waiting for the slow ones and the slows didn’t resent being rushed by the fast.

42 people were at the start, total. Of the 18 in the slow group at the start, I think 14 of us reached the fourth rest stop at mile 51 in Regent Square, and about 10 of us finished all 71 miles.

As sweep for the slow group, I got to help some of those who were struggling a little to keep up. It was a lot more fun than I expected. Going a little slower gave us time to wave to people along the way, chat a bit, take a few pictures… I think that even those that left the group and those that took shortcuts enjoyed themselves. Thanks, everybody, for coming!


fultonco

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Aug 18 2013 at 8:57am #

As one of the “slow” group members who completed the entire route I will say the following: (1) The ride leaders (Jon Webb was the official leader and Buffalo helped out) and sweeper (Paul Heckbert) did a tremendous job guiding the group making everyone feel comfortable all along the way; (2) There were enough rest stops, 5 in all, counting the impromptu stop created by a cyclist and his wife coming out to meet us near the Bloomfield Bridge. You need calories to complete this ride; (3) The ride was so challenging that you developed a high level of respect for and became friends with everybody in the group by the time it was over; (4) even as a native Pittsburgher, I saw places I’ve never seen before; (5) The ride ranks near the top as perhaps the toughest ride I’ve ever done. There was over 7100′ of climbing and I burned over 4000 calories; (6) Highlight of the trip for me was the lady on the street corner in Mount Oliver who told off a careless driver on our behalf. Thumbs up for MO Mojo !! See you down the road.


jonawebb

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Aug 18 2013 at 7:14pm #

I had a great time and really appreciated buffalo’s help, especially at the beginning. The group had lots of good energy and positive attitude, right through to the end. We ranged from people who definitely were going to finish to those who were testing themselves.
I loved it, and love the experience of getting to see the variety of Pittsburgh neighborhoods each year. It is great checking in. Every city official should do this ride (I’m willing to let Peduto ride his street sweeper) just to see what the place is really like.


smarchit

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Aug 18 2013 at 8:21pm #

Upset/jealous that I had to bail out of this at the last minute due to my employer mandating some Saturday OT. I would definitely be willing to give this a go some other Saturday with some of the others that weren’t able to make it yesterday (assuming the slow group pace, based on the assessment that Jacob gave me when I emailed him). If not, I will anxiously await next year’s ride (and hopefully be better physically prepared for it)


Jacob McCrea

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Aug 19 2013 at 8:33am #

Thanks to everyone who selflessly contributed to making this ride another big success: Matt, Jen and the kids, Jon and Paul, Nate and Mary, Kelley and the rest of my crew, and everyone who came along to spend a beautiful summer day with us. It’s always nice to catch up with old friends and meet new ones. We had a great time and are looking forward to next year already.

For next year we’ll try to get a restroom at the first rest stop and work on the logistics between the fast and the slow groups. We can probably move the first stop a few miles down the road to a ball field in Chartiers, assuming we can get the keys to the bathrooms.

“(5) The ride ranks near the top as perhaps the toughest ride I’ve ever done. There was over 7100′ of climbing and I burned over 4000 calories.”

Yes, it is a tough ride indeed. To put that in perspective, if you started at sea level and climbed Mt. Mitchell in North Carolina, or Mt. Washington in New Hampshire, you would not have climbed as much as you do on this ride. Also, for what it’s worth the numbers I’ve seen for the Dirty Dozen range from 5,000′ to 6,000,’ although I believe that route is harder because the climbs are uniformly steep.

Finally, if anyone plans to ride the route soon, please comment here. I wouldn’t mind riding it again.


Mikhail

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Aug 19 2013 at 9:01am #

Thanks guys, this was wonderful (even I had to walk some hills — need more training or better gears)!

I piled off at Rupp Friendship (one block away from official route) and made to my car and to Costco just with 20 minutes to spare. :)

Jacob McCrea wrote:We can probably move the first stop a few miles down the road to a ball field in Chartiers, assuming we can get the keys to the bathrooms.

I think it makes sense.


HiddenVariable

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Aug 19 2013 at 10:16am #

another wonderful ride! i, sadly, had to bail out at the last rest stop because i had somewhere to be, and i ran out of time. i still had a ton of energy, though, thanks to the impeccably stocked and (wo?)manned rest stops. thanks to everyone who helped with that, and to elite runners for donating some of the supplies!

if this ride grows again next year, i think we could break into three groups. i was hesitant join the fast group, as i’ve never considered myself to be terribly fast, but i did do a lot of waiting in the slow group (though i was always impressed as everyone made it to the top eventually, especially at the top of overbrook and hazelwood).

also: if anyone does the makeup ride, please do post here. i wouldn’t mind doing it again, and this time in its entirety.


Jacob McCrea

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Aug 19 2013 at 4:43pm #

^I also like the idea of an intermediate-paced group. A few riders were outside their comfort zone riding with the fast group and likely would have enjoyed an intermediate group. I’d be interested in hearing about what my fellow ride leaders, and those who attended the event, think about this. Two or more people would have to step up and lead it.

Also, HV, sorry I wasn’t able to do more than exchange pleasantries with you Saturday morning.


StuInMcCandless

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Aug 20 2013 at 3:21pm #

Two years running, I have yet to make this ride. This time it ran up against the Three Rivers Storytelling Festival, which I was very involved with. That said, I too would be interested in a Take Two ride, preferably a crisp, early autumn day.


fultonco

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Aug 20 2013 at 3:26pm #

Doing it again – I still have the cue sheet. I would recommend starting early and identifying some food/hydration and restroom stops because they were the keys to successfully completing the ride.


jonawebb

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Aug 20 2013 at 3:57pm #

If you’re doing it again from the cue sheet, note these errors:
1) I left out the right turn on Fifth after crossing the Birmingham Bridge.
2) The turn onto Penn from Roup to get back to 34th is left, of course, not right.
Maybe there are other cue errors that folks can point out. If you send them to me (on gmail) I’ll update the shared document so people can print and use it.


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 20 2013 at 4:36pm #

- Coming back off the West End Bridge, turn _left_ onto Fulton, not right. Not sure why the map goes nearly a block backwards up a one-way street, but in this case with up to three lanes of high-speed cars coming around a major curve, it’s dangerous as well as illegal.

- The directions in Hays left out a step or two: Haysglen > Baldwin > Glass Run or Ramp St > Mifflin > Lebanon; u-turn > Mifflin > Glenwood Br, or something like that

fultonco wrote:I would recommend starting early and identifying some food/hydration and restroom stops because they were the keys to successfully completing the ride.

A few suggested stops (check for hours):
- Cafe N Creamery, Woodland at Shadeland, Marshall-Shadeland
- i believe there’s once again a coffee shop on California Ave, a block south of Termon/Brighton Heights Blvd. If not, there’s definitely Tom Friday’s Market.
- Cannon Coffee, Brookline Boulevard opposite Flatbush Ave, Brookline
- Not sure if it’s still there, but there used to be a church-run coffee shop on Brownsville Rd in Carrick: http://zioncc.org/the-oasis-coffee-center/
- Paige Dairy Mart, Becks Run at East Carson
- and, of course, there are a multitude of gas stations and corner stores along the route for water, gatorade, and other assorted comestibles.


fultonco

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Aug 24 2013 at 6:30pm #

Regarding the whole Fulton Street situation, it is a problem. For some unknown reason, when coming off the West End Bridge and bearing right, one cannot turn onto Fulton Street in either direction because both are marked as one way streets. As Buffalo describes, turning right is suicide and turning left will pit you against one way traffic.

Instead, one must go to the next left, which is Fontella Street. On the actual ride, after trying both Fulton Street options, we went to Manhattan Street, where we took a right turn. I am not certain if that was the correct route to follow but it was safer.

To do that after turning left on Fontella, then turn left on Page, cross Fulton, then turn right on Manhattan.


Jacob McCrea

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Aug 24 2013 at 6:45pm #

Both times I led the ride we came back across the West End Bridge, made the immediate 180 degree left turn onto Western Avenue, and then made an immediate right onto Manhattan. This was perfectly safe. I don’t know if the written cue sheet is wrong, the map linked above is wrong, or the group went the wrong way. Regardless, it is an easy enough problem to fix for next year.


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 24 2013 at 7:12pm #

fultonco wrote:when coming off the West End Bridge and bearing right, one cannot turn onto Fulton Street in either direction because both are marked as one way streets.

There’s a left turn lane on Western at Fulton. Fulton is one-way northbound from Ridge to Western, two-way for two blocks between Western and Page, and one-way southbound north of Page.

Jacob McCrea wrote:we came back across the West End Bridge, made the immediate 180 degree left turn onto Western Avenue, and then made an immediate right onto Manhattan

Have to admit, in four years living on the North Side it never even occurred to me to try that. It’s true Google streetview doesn’t show a no-left-turn sign there, though there is a solid double yellow from the Chateau St ramp to Fulton.

If I ask Google Maps for directions starting on the West End Bridge and going to Manhattan St above North, it suggests turning left on Fulton, left on Page, and right on Manhattan. If you try to force it to use Western west of the bridge, then you get the right on Fulton, u-turn, left on Western sequence seen in the cue sheet.


Mick

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Aug 27 2013 at 11:01am #

I might try this as a two day ride sometime. Either Saturday and Sunday or two consecutive Sundays.


fultonco

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Aug 28 2013 at 7:26pm #

Regarding Fulton Street, Buffalo is correct. I went by there yesterday and took another look. My bad.

Regarding the 180 to get to Manhattan, that might work on a weekend morning but definitely would be a problem later on most days. Left on Fulton, right on Page, right on Manhattan should get you there safely.

Doing it on your own as a two day ride is a really good idea!


Jacob McCrea

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Jul 12 2014 at 1:48pm #

I’ve submitted the following for this year’s edition of the ride, which will be on Saturday, August 16, starting at 8:00 a.m. at Doughboy Square in Lawrenceville:

This is a road bike ride of around 72 miles which touches all 90 City of Pittsburgh neighborhoods (as well as a few suburbs). It’s not “every neighborhood that can be reached without too much climbing” or “every neighborhood where there are yuppies, coffee shops and yoga studios,” rather it is EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. Be advised that the course involves between 5,500 and 7,000 feet of climbing, depending on whose GPS you believe, and is by no means an easy ride.

We will have three (3) ride leaders and three (3) groups, which will essentially be the “fast” group, the “intermediate” group and the “slow” group. This is not a race and the ride leaders will make reasonable efforts to keep their respective groups together. However, given the distance and considerable hills it is NOT a “no drop” ride. In other words, we cannot and will not babysit riders who are out of their league and get dropped repeatedly. For riders who wish to cruise along at their own pace, without the stresses of staying with a group, I would commend an MS150 or rail trail ride.

We mostly avoid busy roads, but a few roads, out of necessity, will not be ideal for bicycles. There will be rest and food stops at various points, and about half way through the ride there is an aide station with food, drinks, a bathroom, bike repair tools, etc. for folks who stay with the ride leader(s). There are some serious descents so a properly functioning bike with good brakes is needed.

There are many good points to “bail out” and return to the start if you only want to do part of the ride, which riders are welcome to do. If you plan to do the whole ride, anticipate a long day on the bike and plan accordingly; complaints such as “Can we hurry up, I have to get home to feed my ferret” will not be well taken.

If you plan to attend, please send an email to Jacob McCrea at jcm250b at juno dot com. There is no entry fee, but if you would like to contribute food or drinks that would be appreciated. Send me an email to discuss food or drinks, if inclined.

The ride will obey all laws and traffic devices; running stop signs and the like will not be condoned. Helmets are required. Other than, say, an all-day downpour, rain does NOT cancel the ride. Riders participate at their own risk and are solely responsible for their own safety, and acknowledge as much through their participation. The aide stations will be well stocked with food, but do bring some money for the bus if you bonk or have a big mechanical problem, and bring enough tubes for a few flats. Again, please note the considerable climbing and pack light! Hope you can join us!


Ahlir

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Jul 12 2014 at 4:19pm #

this year’s edition of the ride

Will you post a route? Is it the one as the previously posted last year’s cue sheet? Is there a map version?

It might help folks who haven’t done it before figure out just where along the PaPen–Boston / Dirty-Dozen continuum we’re talking about. (Curiosity, prompted by your dire warnings.)

And just to be annoying: Which authority are you using for the definition of ‘neighborhood’? [Sorry, I lack the patience to read the entire thread. It's part of being annoying.]


jonawebb

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Jul 12 2014 at 4:29pm #

I used the city site PghSnap to verify that we actually touched all neighborhoods, and to annotate the map so you’d know when we were near each one (sometimes I couldn’t put the annotation at the exact point because it happened when there was no corresponding cue). And I added a few neighborhoods not on the map but on the Wikipedia page, like Chinatown.


mattre

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Jul 12 2014 at 7:23pm #

Here is the map for this year’s ride:

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/5010998

There is one change from last year: the ride will officially end at Arsenal Park to give us a little more space to stretch out and enjoy whatever refreshments are left.

We’re working on finalizing the locations of the first and third rest areas. I’ll update the thread once they’re set in stone.


buffalo buffalo

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Jul 17 2014 at 12:36pm #

The cuelist still contains the same error from last year at mile 5.4, where riders are directed coming off the West End Bridge to bear right on Western, then turn right on Fulton, and make a U-turn at Ridge. This is, as I noted before, not only dangerous but illegal. Fulton is one-way northbound from Ridge to Western.

As I said last year, there’s a left turn lane on Western at Fulton; I don’t see any reason not to go north the block on Fulton to Page, then left to Manhattan, especially when the alternative is apparently to go a block against three lanes of high speed traffic.

[I certainly haven't gone through it line by line, but the cue sheet is also still missing directions between Becks Run and Glenwood Bridge, which in my group at least was a source of confusion last year, and between Birmingham Bridge and Craig Street.]


mattre

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Jul 19 2014 at 3:32pm #

The route has us coming up Ridge and Fulton (in the correct directions), then turning left onto the West End Bridge. The return trip from the West End Circle has us making a left onto Western followed by an immediate right onto Manhattan.

The cue sheet is auto-generated, so I’m not sure what’s up with it. I suspect the issues are either artifacts from previous versions of the map, or bugs in Ride With GPS’s software. I’ll play around with it tonight to see if I can get it to generate a new cue sheet.

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