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Another day, another cyclist hit. Another month, another cyclist dead.

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Marko82

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Jul 29 2013 at 6:25am #

@V, thanks. I did read those posts, I was just curious if anything had changed since the streetview pic; or if seeing the red/green/walk light sequence caused any confusion for either the driver or cyclist.

It’s good to know that the PD is giving this the seriousness it deserves too.


helen s

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Aug 1 2013 at 6:39am #

I can see it now- some hot rod cyclist passes me on the jail trail at a high rate of speed unannounced with six inches of clearance- I chase them down and ask WTF? They reply “I have the legal right to do that!”
I feel that as cyclists, we could at least treat each other with respect, and hope that motor vehicles do the same.


edmonds59

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Aug 1 2013 at 8:05am #

^I’m with you there Helen S. I think the broader problem is empathy, or the lack thereof. Experienced cyclists can ride safely all day long at 25 mph 6″ from each other. It doesn’t occur to them that the thing that feels completely safe to them will freak someone else out. Likewise, the newbies on the trail don’t have a clue that weaving back and forth, stopping right in the path, and generally being asshats might actually be a problem and endanger people. Drivers as well. We have had the empathy intentionally engineered out of our society for the last 40 years, with the message that greed is good, it’s a dog eat dog world, looking out for yourself is the only moral way. Horseshit. If you can think of a way to reverse that message, you will be on the path to solving an innumerable number of problems.


Mikhail

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Aug 1 2013 at 10:48am #

edmonds59 wrote:Experienced cyclists can ride safely all day long at 25 mph 6? from each other. It doesn’t occur to them that the thing that feels completely safe to them will freak someone else out.

I would disagree on that. Moving in the pack is completely separate art. Experienced cyclists do not ride in packs with newbies or other unfamiliar cyclists because it’s a matter of trust. And they are very aware of this fact. There are lots of rules for riding in a pack. Starting from do not move across a pack and ending when and how you can overlap wheels and almost constant pedaling (if people stop pedaling that means something is happening and you should be very aware). How to go in a turn is another complicated rule.


Vannevar

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Aug 1 2013 at 4:00pm #

How to address / educate on the “ride-right” rule and the change in procedure? I like the brochure and understand the limitations. I think the answer is: public education where the problem exists, on the roads. Blog post: http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2013/08/playing-favorites-wrong-way-signs.html

Because, after all, we do it for the cars.


Vannevar

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Aug 3 2013 at 7:31pm #

Ghost bike on Moon side of Sewickley Bridge.


Swalfoort

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Aug 3 2013 at 8:52pm #

This is the only ghost bike I am likely to pass on a regular basis.

Thanks to those responsible for getting it out there.

It will be a reminder to ride safe, and also to send mental hugs to Emily’s parents.


edmonds59

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Aug 3 2013 at 10:11pm #

Who placed that?

God that’s heartbreaking.


jonawebb

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Aug 23 2013 at 12:43pm #

I ran across this on Cyclelicious. Seems to be a low-tech version of the devices discussed here.


paulheckbert

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Aug 23 2013 at 12:49pm #

Not ideal when biking in the peloton.
He’s sitting on the log, isn’t he!?


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 23 2013 at 7:25pm #

Hard to tell. He’s also wearing a longish (hip+ -length, anyway) coat. what gets me is, it seems to be balanced there–I don’t see anything holding it on.


RustyRed

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Aug 23 2013 at 7:36pm #

buffalo buffalo wrote: What gets me is, it seems to be balanced there–I don’t see anything holding it on.

He is Russian, his buttocks are strong, like bull!


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 23 2013 at 7:50pm #

RustyRed wrote:

buffalo buffalo wrote: What gets me is, it seems to be balanced there–I don’t see anything holding it on.

He is Russian, his buttocks are strong, like bull!

Serbian, actually, if the watermark is taken at face value.

(This is where the Polish/Ukrainian steps out to let the crowd make their own decisions on what that means… ;-) )


Marko82

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Aug 23 2013 at 9:09pm #

As a half breed Ukraine, we dumb as bull too.


bicycle heaven

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Aug 23 2013 at 10:41pm #

I just had a reporter from a radio show from C.A come by the Museum today, he asked me if Pittsburgh is more bike friendly as he has found that more accident reports this last two years .I said yes I think so, more bike lanes more events more bike sales and I think more bikers young and older just getting into the bike thing and all,,,,more bikers more accident,s,,,,,,Motorist are not out to kill people but cars are bigger than bikes and its a bad mix when a accident happened”s. I hope everyone is carful this Sunday and with so many bikers out that day its a good chance for an accident.,,Bicycle Heaven will be open for Pedal P.G.H bike event,,free bike repairs and water ,,we will do the best we can not knowing how many can stop by,,,,,


bicycle heaven

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Aug 23 2013 at 11:13pm #

Vannevar wrote:Ghost bike on Moon side of Sewickley Bridge.

edmonds59 wrote:Who placed that?

God that’s heartbreaking.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,craig / brian schaffer from bicycle heaven gave that to a customer,,,is it still there ?


Vannevar

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Aug 24 2013 at 7:05am #

That was very nice of you. It was still there as of a few days ago, and I suspect it’s not going anywhere. It’s secured by a very heavy chain, painted in her high school’s colors. Thank you very much.


bicycle heaven

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Aug 27 2013 at 10:11am #

It was nice meeting everyone who stopped by during pedal Pittsburgh.I am glad to here all went well,we did get one girl who came by as she had a bad fall cut knees elbow and such.I am also glad channel 2 dident put me on t.v for the tagged street in front of the Museum lol,,,all is well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hope to see everyone again next year


paulheckbert

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Aug 30 2013 at 8:23am #

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/teenage-boy-bicycle-hit-car-sheraden/nZhBD/

“A 16-year-old boy remains hospitalized Friday morning after he was hit by a car while riding a bicycle Thursday night in Pittsburgh’s Sheraden neighborhood. Authorities said the accident happened at the intersection of Ladoga and Fayette streets around 8 p.m.”

I’m guessing they mean Fadette St.

Here’s what the intersection looks like: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sheraden,+pittsburgh,+pa&hl=en&ll=40.452891,-80.068547&spn=0.002474,0.003996&sll=40.356509,-79.91927&sspn=2.536692,4.092407&t=m&hnear=Sheraden,+Pittsburgh,+Allegheny,+Pennsylvania&z=18&layer=c&cbll=40.452773,-80.068622&panoid=QbBjPebCGhfdOFLuvpN4Qw&cbp=12,48.62,,0,20.05


RustyRed

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Aug 30 2013 at 11:15am #

paulheckbert wrote:

Here’s what the intersection looks like: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sheraden,+pittsburgh,+pa&hl=en&ll=40.452891,-80.068547&spn=0.002474,0.003996&sll=40.356509,-79.91927&sspn=2.536692,4.092407&t=m&hnear=Sheraden,+Pittsburgh,+Allegheny,+Pennsylvania&z=18&layer=c&cbll=40.452773,-80.068622&panoid=QbBjPebCGhfdOFLuvpN4Qw&cbp=12,48.62,,0,20.05

No stop signs in all three directions there? Wow.


edmonds59

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Aug 30 2013 at 11:26am #

That whole neighborhood is being overrun by drivers trying to avoid the W.Carson st closure. I rode thru there a few days ago. Ridiculous.


jonawebb

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Aug 30 2013 at 11:42am #

Ladoga has no stop signs after Middletown. The entire rest of the street is unsigned.


StuInMcCandless

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Aug 30 2013 at 12:26pm #

No comments on the story (even after I registered on the site).

So, my usual litany of questions:
* Where was the driver coming from and going to?
* How could that trip been avoided through better planning or timing?
* Could the purpose of that trip been accomplished by use of a bicycle or transit?
* When was the last time the driver ever rode a bicycle around dusk?

A couple of questions concerning the environment:
* From StreetView, it indeed does appear the stop sign on Fadette is missing. I cannot determine whether there ever were any on Ladoga.
* I do not think of Ladoga as a high-traffic street. It doesn’t really connect anything.
* Steep downhill going north. Which direction was the car going?
* Would a Twenty Is Plenty campaign have done any good here?
* It’s getting dark at 8 p.m. in late August.

A couple of questions concerning the cyclist:
* Was he actually traveling someplace, or just noodling around the neighborhood?
* Headlight? Taillight or at least a reflector? Dressed light or dark?
* Has this cyclist ever received any significant guidance on how to ride on the street at night? (I’m going to guess “no” because I can’t think of a child in this country who has, unless s/he grew up in a family of cyclists.)


cburch

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Aug 30 2013 at 3:51pm #

a friend of mine just posted a photo to her facebook from inside the back of an ambulance. she got hit by someone on a motorcycle.

wtf.


Pierce

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Aug 30 2013 at 4:39pm #

I almost got left hooked again yesterday from somebody pulling into Lowes by the waterfront from the backside, where cyclists are now going instead of the actual trail

Guy said he was “looking where he was turning, not ahead” It was by the curved area by the plants. He seemed apologetic and I asked him to keep an eye out for people

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I had a bunch of motorcyclists pass me very close and at very high speed on 885 about a month ago while going under the airport tunnel in West Mifflin


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 30 2013 at 11:56pm #

cburch wrote:a friend of mine just posted a photo to her facebook from inside the back of an ambulance. she got hit by someone on a motorcycle.

wtf.

I had someone on a Harley pass me @ about 2 feet, maybe less, on Arlington during Pedal Pittsburgh.

Twice.


Vannevar

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Sep 9 2013 at 8:43pm #

joanne wrote:I bought an extendable paint pole last week for the same purpose (my thought is that I can adjust it inward or outward, depending on where I’m riding). . . . . .

Joanne, I just came across this photo, Glacier National Park in the mid-1980’s according to the attribution. I think it might have everything you’re looking for – a tiny flag sticking out of the side, a lot of visibility, and a major spirit of whimsey.


buffalo buffalo

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Sep 9 2013 at 9:15pm #

Ha! was just coming to post the same thing. (Don’t know about VB, but I found it via The Path Less Pedaled.)


joanne

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Sep 10 2013 at 6:23pm #

@Vannevar and @buffalo buffalo, whoa! I wonder if drivers would stare at that and unconsciously steer toward it?

I wonder what would have the most effective “give me space” effect? Something threatening (e.g., Edgar Snyder on the back of one’s shirt)? Something silly, like the clown above? Something likely to elicit a sense of empathy and unity (“go Steelers”)? Hmm.


RustyRed

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Sep 10 2013 at 8:35pm #

joanne wrote:

I wonder what would have the most effective “give me space” effect? Something likely to elicit a sense of empathy and unity (“go Steelers”)? Hmm.

Funny you should mention this, I have two Pirates stickers on my helmet, it gets many a comment/shout from drivers and pedestrians alike. (it’s kinda unnerving actually, to have strangers scream “LET’S GO BUCS!” at me.)
It doesn’t stop me from getting buzzed and hooked though. :/


StuInMcCandless

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Sep 10 2013 at 9:00pm #

I’ll spare you the picture, but when I rode the PNBR in 2011, I had “CAN U C ME NOW?” painted on my back in very large letters. In direct response to too many cyclists run down, and the motorist saying “I didn’t see him.”


Marko82

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Sep 24 2013 at 11:03am #

I apologize for posting another tragedy, but I think it is relevant to the original crash that started this thread.

A young boy was killed while riding his bike to school. While I put 99.99% of the blame on the mother driving this huge SUV, one has to wonder why no one ever taught this child to ride with traffic. The woman was pulling out of the school’s driveway onto a very straight and flat road with the sun to her back (look at the shadows in the pics) and did not expect to encounter a moving object to her right.

So sad.


Drewbacca

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Sep 24 2013 at 12:02pm #

I look forward to a day when all cars have rear-view cameras… even in my lowered mid-size sedan, I always worry about what I can’t see.


HiddenVariable

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Sep 24 2013 at 10:42pm #

Drewbacca wrote:I look forward to a day when all cars have rear-view cameras… even in my lowered mid-size sedan, I always worry about what I can’t see.

i expect that long before this happens, we will have reached the end-game, which is automated automobiles. removing humans from the equation will very likely lead to unimaginable safety gains. it will also probably turn all the current traffic idioms upside down.


jonawebb

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Sep 25 2013 at 11:59am #

I’m pretty sure we’ll get rear-view cameras first. They seem to be on all the new minivans, at least as an option, and the technology is just not that expensive. Figure a few years before they’re pretty much universal. Whereas self-driving cars have a lot of barriers to overcome before they’re beyond the experimental stage even on semi-controlled environments like limited access highways, let alone complex places like city streets where they might encounter cyclists.


Mikhail

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Sep 25 2013 at 12:11pm #

jonawebb wrote:we’ll get rear-view cameras first

You mentioned minivans. They are on some SUVs also and on some sedans (luxury ones?) with detection technology (lidars and ultrasound?) and ability to stop the vehicle.


edmonds59

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Sep 25 2013 at 1:01pm #

I would hope we could simply get more people on mass transit before we need to get to self-driving automobiles. But that seems to be difficult enough.
Also the technology will come more readily than the human adjustment. Some segment of the population of a certain age will just need to die off before they yield control of the vehicle to automation. My wife’s car does a lot of automatic nonsense that I can’t stand (’10 Merc). ABS, some anti-spin acronym, auto lights, auto locking, this, that. Feh. Learn to drive.
Also, indexed shifting – feh. Lol.


gg

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Sep 25 2013 at 1:02pm #

I wish people driving those things would slow way down! I wish I was Edger Snyder for a year and I would go after the auto industry showing how careless it is showing this giant SUV/Pickups flying down roads at stupid speeds and showing off how great they handle. They don’t handle and shouldn’t be driven like that ever! Ah well, the industry had too much money to be made. I wonder how many lives would still be here if these idiots were driving good cars? 50%? I looked at that map of the cycling deaths in 2012 and the first several I clicked on were SUV’s or Pickups. One has to wonder about that statistic. Maybe it is out there somewhere? Don’t know.


Benzo

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Sep 26 2013 at 1:04am #

Self driving cars and backup cameras?!?!? I’m still waiting for auto manufacturers to change the behavior of the lock button on my key fob to simply roll up all the windows and lock all the doors with one button press.


smarchit

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Sep 29 2013 at 8:52pm #

1 Killed, 1 Injured After Driver Swerves To Avoid Cyclist, Crashes In Mercer Co. http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/09/29/1-killed-1-injured-after-driver-swerves-to-avoid-cyclist-crashes-in-mercer-co/#.UkjVr_yjEV8.twitter

No mention of the cyclist’s fate or degree of fault in this incident, but considering the fate of the car and its passengers, I shudder to think what speeds were involved.

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