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callie

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Apr 12 2013 at 10:08am #

KDKA just reported a cyclist hit a pedestrian downtown. The pedestrian was taken to the hospital


reddan

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Apr 12 2013 at 10:14am #

Being reported as a hit-n-run.


jonawebb

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Apr 12 2013 at 11:22am #

Supposed to be a man riding a yellow bicycle. If you are reading this or know who this is, please contact the police. You are not helping… and given the partial description the police must have you may well get caught anyway.


byogman

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Apr 12 2013 at 12:15pm #

Addressing the cyclist if you’re a message board reader:

Even if you’re not caught by authorities, you’re already caught.

More than anything else in this life, you have to live with yourself.

Judging by the choice you made today, if you don’t turn yourself in and make full restitution, you’re going to have a rough go of that.

Maybe you’re already feeling guilty. Or maybe you’ve rationalized some BS about how it’s the pedestrian’s fault.

The thing is, it doesn’t matter whether you lie to yourself, deep down you’ll still know you were in the wrong. And vacating the scene rather than rendering aid… there isn’t even a lie you can tell yourself there. You’re on track for a long sentence of well deserved self hatred.

Conversely, jumping those tracks, doing the right thing, even when it’s hard and seems entail nothing but trouble… in fact, especially when it’s like that… that’s how you really make a positive change in your life. So turn yourself in, and do it now. The longer you wait the harder it is and the less peace you’ll get (or deserve).


the b.rad

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Apr 12 2013 at 1:15pm #

I own a yellow bike, I commute downtown, I obey traffic laws, and I am an advocate for safe streets. The collision between these two people and the decision of the male to flee the scene is inexcusable. The progression toward safer streets involves educating motorists, as much as educating bicyclists. I guarantee that the overwhelming majority of people that read and comment on this message board are proponents of safe cycling/walking/driving. WE are the bikers, pedestrians, and motorists that care. Let’s continue to actively advocate for safe streets by setting a good example through OUR actions. If you see a person doing something unsafe say something to them.

On another note, does the fact that this received immediate news attention, while Mjai’s hit-and-run to this day has received no coverage, aside from the information on this message board, seem like unequal reporting?


jonawebb

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Apr 12 2013 at 1:25pm #

@brad, I don’t think so. A cyclist injuring a pedestrian badly enough to send them to the hospital, and then riding away, is unusual. A motorist hitting a cyclist, not so much. News coverage tends to focus on unusual events.


devohelmetguy

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Apr 12 2013 at 2:16pm #

The report is very short on detail. Maybe best to wait a bit to understand what happened. It’d help to have a corroborated description of the incident, nature of the injuries and details of events that unfolded shortly after the incident. I fear it isn’t the case but it’d be interesting to know details like: “was the cyclist stopped from treating the injured person and chased from the scene by an angry mob?”

I hope all involved are OK.

My experience being tackled off my bike by a pedestrian on Penn Ave involved:
– Police insisting the incident didn’t justify a report
– Three months of pain recovering from injured ribs
– No media coverage


jonawebb

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Apr 12 2013 at 3:18pm #

Just as I think it’s more likely that a cyclist got hit by a car, instead of deciding to nap in the middle of the road, when an ambulance is called at 1:30 am for a cyclist on Morningside Avenue, I also think it’s more likely that a cyclist hit a pedestrian and then rode away than, say, was jumped by a pedestrian and knocked them down while escaping. But of course there’s more to the story than we know, and unlikely things happen all the time. The pleas from me and others were written assuming things were as they appeared to be. If this turns out to be, say, a “Premium Rush” sort of situation all bets are off.


Drewbacca

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Apr 12 2013 at 3:27pm #

I don’t read into it. For all we know, the cyclist did stop and the person injured was initially OK. If no name/info was exchanged, it would still be considered a “hit and run” as I understand it… even without a dramatic escape. There’s just too little info to really comment on this, aside from noting that car-bicycles hit-and-runs have had even less info available and didn’t receive the same news coverage.


stefb

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Apr 12 2013 at 5:06pm #

I wonder if the cyclist was also hurt? This sounds weird.


Benzo

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Apr 13 2013 at 10:05am #

We should be calling it a ‘collision’ not an ‘accident’, until we know otherwise.

Cycling advocates have been pushing that terminology for car vs bike / pedestrian collisions. Let’s do the same.


pbeaves

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Apr 13 2013 at 4:51pm #

pgh “news” reporting:

anything vs bike = harmless accident
bike vs anything = raging homicidal maniacs.


salty

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Apr 13 2013 at 9:47pm #

True, but certainly not limited to pgh.

I’m not going to make any excuses for the cyclist – if you hit someone you should stick around and make sure they’re OK. Sure it’s possible this is some technicality like “failure to provide information” or the ped claimed to be fine and called an ambulance later, but probably not.


gg

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Apr 13 2013 at 11:37pm #

pbeaves wrote:pgh “news” reporting:

anything vs bike = harmless accident
bike vs anything = raging homicidal maniacs.

Seems everyone attacked the cyclist on this board before knowing what happened as well, so I guess the news is about the same as here.


Steven

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Apr 14 2013 at 1:41am #

I didn’t see anything suggesting “raging homicidal maniac” in KDKA’s report linked at the top of this thread. It seemed very dry and dispassionate. (I’m just talking about the reporting, not the comments.) Seems like they’re just relaying an equally nonjudgmental police report.


pbeaves

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Apr 14 2013 at 7:27am #

i’m not attacking anyone, just commenting on how the media portraits events.


Val

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Apr 14 2013 at 1:03pm #

You never know, the pedestrian in question may have earned it by stepping off the curb right in front of this biker, too. It happens all the time. The cyclist may have even been injured or had a concussion, or otherwise not realized the person was injured. Not to be a ped-hater but as many idiots as I’ve dodged while riding my bike, I wouldn’t doubt it for a second, in which case, maybe this pedestrian will have learned a valuable lesson about right-of-way. Namely, that right-of-way bullshit is small compensation when you’re taking an ambulance ride. I hope they’re both alright.


jonawebb

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Apr 14 2013 at 2:35pm #

Pedestrians shouldn’t be run down by cars or cyclists even if they act stupidly. And if there is an accident, the driver or cyclist should stick around and render aid. Period.
Also I don’t see how the news coverage of this hopefully minor accident has been out of line.


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 14 2013 at 2:35pm #

Two days and change since this happened. Does anyone have any, y’know, *facts* about what occurred?


Mikhail

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Apr 14 2013 at 4:03pm #

jonawebb wrote:Pedestrians shouldn’t be run down by cars or cyclists even if they act stupidly.

Do you have power to change laws of physics? Just an example — stepping down from sidewalk in front of a bus going 35 mph — how it’s possible to avoid running down a pedestrian?


Val

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Apr 14 2013 at 4:52pm #

He’s right, no one SHOULD ever be run down; that’s why they call them ‘accidents’. But if someone has a concussion such as this cyclist may have for all we know, he/she could do anything unreasonable, including leaving the scene. People do funny things when they’re hurt, especially if it’s a head injury. And a lot of people are quick to judge, as we’ve seen in numerous discussions on this board. Unfortunately that’s not accidental behavior, just self-righteousness.


Benzo

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Apr 14 2013 at 8:20pm #

One thing that sucks about being the cyclist in this scenario, is that if they were involved in a collision with a pedestrian and the pedestrian goes to the hospital, they or their insurance company could potentially go after the cyclist to reimburse the medical expenses. Auto insurance would cover a driver, but the cyclist may not have that to cover their liability in this case.


salty

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Apr 14 2013 at 8:45pm #

“You never know, the cyclist in question may have earned it by riding off the curb right in front of this car, too. It happens all the time.”

“The driver may have even been injured or had a concussion, or otherwise not realized the person was injured.”

“Not to be a cyclist-hater but as many idiots as I’ve dodged while driving my car, I wouldn’t doubt it for a second, in which case, maybe this cyclist will have learned a valuable lesson about right-of-way.”

Changing modes of transportation doesn’t make those comments any more acceptable – yet it’s everyone else being “quick to judge” and “self-righteous”, correct?

Haven’t we done this already?


Val

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Apr 14 2013 at 8:56pm #

Benzo is right. I humbly suggest if anyone finds themselves in a like predicament, that you check for witnesses, then quickly dispatch the wounded victim with a good knife, handy rock, or glass shard. If it’s dark, perhaps you could drag the person out into the road and leave them to be ran over by multiple vehicles. After all, who among us could enjoy their cycling, knowing there’s a manhunt on for them? Good point, Benzo!


Val

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Apr 14 2013 at 8:58pm #

Thanks, Salty, I knew somebody would climb up on their pulpit and spew righteousness.

PS: my comments are very acceptable to me. If you don’t like them, tough luck for you, pal.


salty

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Apr 15 2013 at 12:25am #

You are higher on your horse than anyone who has ever posted here, but also too full of yourself to realize it.

Keep telling us how those “idiot” pedestrians deserve to be taught a lesson via a trip in an ambulance, though – that’s enlightened stuff and I am truly sorry you think that’s acceptable.


JaySherman5000

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Apr 15 2013 at 8:35am #

@Val: isn’t there an age limit for posting on this board? I thought minors weren’t allowed here without parental supervision.


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 8:37am #

Salty, you’re an old, pathetic Liar. I never said anyone deserved an ambulance ride. That’s plain and simply a LIE.

It’s really pathetic you can’t handle any dissenting opinion. I feel sorry for you and at the same time, find your vindictive pettiness amusing.

BTW, you may want to research the whole Freedom of Speech thing. The last time I checked, we are ALL entitled to our own opinions, even on the Bike-PGH message boards.

Until we have the pleasure of conversing again, enjoy your self-appointed role as a petty tyrant and cyber-bully!


jonawebb

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Apr 15 2013 at 8:43am #

Val, calm down, please. Stop picking fights. Nobody here is deserving of it.


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 8:46am #

@Jay, I am only mildly disappointed, seeing as how I had you figured for one of down-to-earth people on this board. It’s not the first time I’ve been wrong… Go ahead and jump o the bandwagon, it’s crystal clear (again) how things work on these forums… people are entitled to an opinion, as long as it’s the ‘popular’ opinion. How pathetic…


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 8:48am #

@Jonawebb, hey man, all I did was post an opinion. I didn’t pick a fight with anybody. But I’m not going to tolerate some d-bag lying and misrepresenting what I said. I am not deserving of that…


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:11am #

Groupthink: is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome.

Loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking.

The dysfunctional group dynamics of the “ingroup” produces an “illusion of invulnerability” (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the “ingroup” significantly overrates their own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of their opponents (the “outgroup”).


salty

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:16am #

You’re calling me a “d-bag” but I’m the “bully”?

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but pulling your little victim act while attacking other posters both individually and collectively is not cool.


jonawebb

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:22am #

@Val, you basically have to count on everything you post on the Internet getting half misinterpreted, according to the prejudices of the reader, who might not have read your message that carefully in the first place. I don’t think you believe pedestrians who step out in front of a cyclist and get hit deserved it; what you were saying is that even if they didn’t deserve it, they still might get a ride in an ambulance, so they should watch out. And I don’t think you were trying to justify cyclists not helping in an accident; you were trying to explain how that could happen. I get it. But when you post something that could be interpreted that way, due to the haste or point of view of the reader, and they respond, well, that doesn’t make them a liar or anything else you called people. It just comes with the territory. So, please dial it down. Nobody’s doing anything other than arguing that pedestrians shouldn’t get hit by cyclists, and cyclists should help with accidents, which you agree with. You just posted something that could be interpreted as being on the other side of the argument, and everybody wants to make it clear that they disagree with that point of view — which, in fact, you do too.


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:33am #

Yeah, and being a LIAR is cool. Dude, you wouldn’t know Cool if it jumped up and bit you on your ass!

Here’s what I REALLY said about the two involved in that collision: “I hope they’re BOTH alright”. But you somehow omitted that part in your petty little crybaby rant.


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:46am #

@jonawebb, you say I have to settle for my words being misinterpreted. Misinterpretation is one thing; someone being inflammatory and deliberately dishonest is a separate issue entirely. I pretty much let it all go, the first time we had one of these little group bashings; I don’t feel inclined to do so again.

I find it odd that you paint yourself as being so level headed and fair, but neglect to address anyone else other than me. That’s subtle but not very subtle; it’s designed to make it all look like this is my issue, I’m the antagonist, etc. As we all know, that’s one of the benefits of being in the in-crowd on this board. You guys get to decide who’s right and who’s not, threaten to block me just like before, etc., etc…

But I should thank you because now, I think I may just start an alternate webpage for cyclists in Pittsburgh. A page for adults who can handle a little humor, a little (or a lot!) dissent, and don’t wear their vaginas pinned on their sleeve! You guys are best left alone in your little incestuous group where everybody thinks and talks the same. Nice and neat…


jonawebb

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Apr 15 2013 at 9:55am #

You know, every time people post here about new stuff they’ve gotten I always end up thinking whether I should get it. So now, thanks to Val, I’m thinking about getting a vagina button.


Val

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Apr 15 2013 at 10:00am #

Now THAT’S funny. Just when I thought all the Oxygen had been sucked out of the room…


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 15 2013 at 10:04am #

Take deep breaths. Walk away for a while. This need not be a fight. We’ve had this, um, discussion before.


Drewbacca

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Apr 15 2013 at 10:21am #

I think that this site really needs an “ignore member” feature, so that those of us who think Val has nothing to add besides rude comments can simply click a box and never see said comments again.

Lacking such a feature… well, like they say: “don’t feed the trolls.”

But what I really wanted to say was, no one “deserves” to be hit. Make a dumb comment, get a dumb response. Take it with grace instead of blowing up over it and resorting to name calling.

Sorry Val, but you aren’t being singled out as some random act… you draw this attention to yourself. I’m not siding with anyone here when I say that you are consistently inflammatory. I’m not saying that it is intentional, either, but it is what it is.

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