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Bicycle Heaven tagging streets, sidewalks, & trails. This is not ok.

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cburch

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:06am #

Way to embrace your core customer base there guy. A+ marketing strategy.


Pierce

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:16am #

The people who are complaining about spray paint markings probably aren’t Bicycle Heaven’s customer base

It’s like saying to Kraynick to clean up his shop because people who shop at Trek don’t like it

I also like how the number has gone from 75 to 100 in the reporting

Is there any practical reason for not having this signage rather than that it doesn’t jive with your (the people upset by this) personal aesthetics or code of trail conduct?

The city is completely out of it’s mind to spend money on removing graffiti of any kind let alone these. If our city can be plastered with corporate crap all over the place, what’s wrong with individuals or small businesses doing it?

This reminds me of when I got harassed for chalking on the sidewalk by Pitt, but Panera was allowed to advertise on the sidewalk with chalk with no problem


cburch

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:24am #

Not what I was saying at all. Blaming “wayward bicycle groups” on the news was what I was referring to.

Unless he actually did it or was aware if the person doing it, the correct and smart thing to say would be “we aren’t sure who is responsible for this and while we appreciate the love from the community, we don’t condone these actions and will be working with the city to address the issue as quickly as possible. “


cburch

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:35am #

Also I’m pretty sure a lot of the folks in this thread and over on Facebook who are upset about both the markings and the response to them from bh ate very much the core customer base.

I know I am as someone who is a big bike nerd as well as a museum loving nerd in genral, and this whole thing has made me much less likely to ever go there.


rice rocket

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:38am #

I’m tagging Pierce’s house with directions to the trail. And his lawn. And streetlamp. And curb.

I like bikeygirl’s idea. Trail map with points of interests. Help pay for the sign and I bet you can get yourself added. No need to spraybomb the shit out of public property.


Vannevar

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Aug 16 2013 at 4:53am #

Pierce wrote:The people who are complaining about spray paint markings probably aren’t Bicycle Heaven’s customer base

I’m sure Pierce is right about this. B-H’s customer base, from what I’ve read and been told, is the online EBay store selling the bikes and parts from his inventory, and the high-net-worth Boomer collectors that find him via media and Ebay.

The word “museum” seems out of place to me. Probably started as a unified warehouse. The profit in unique stuff comes from sitting on it until the right buyer come$ along, and you need a place for all that inventory.

Maybe there’s tax advantages to museum operations. I wonder. Let’s say at one time, you used storage units at $xyz/month for storage. Instead of spending $XYZ,XYZ per year on storage, now you operate a museum at a loss and take a tax writeoff against the overall business. You move your expenses into the museum, reduce your cost, increase profits, increase your writeoffs, and improve your marketing position. I wish I understood that stuff. Just wondering.

On this board, they have solicited donations of bikes and parts to the museum — which they can then sell on Ebay and to the collectors. Nice business model.

So the public rhetoric is, We’re good for Pittsburgh.
The business plan is, Pittsburgh is a resource for us.
No different from any other extraction business. Like fracking.

I think having a business is great and my compliments. I’m just not sure it’s accurately a museum that should be soliciting donations of bike parts to be sold on Ebay. I’m not sure that having “bicycle” on the billboard conveys virtue.

But Pierce is quite right. Very few people (if any) on that bike trail are in the key customer base.


Vannevar

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Aug 16 2013 at 5:05am #

From one of their Ebay Stores:

WE HAVE THE LARGEST COLLECTION IN THE WORLD OF THE VERY RARE BOWDEN SPACELANDER BICYCLE AND STINGRAY MUSCLE BIKES. WE HAVE IT FROM 1862 TO THE NEWEST BIKES,,CALL US

FOR ALL YOUR BIKE NEEDS ON OVER 90.000 ITEMS WE SELL ON EBAY I HAVE PARTS FOR ROAD BIKES,BMX,BALLOON, CUSTOM CHOPPERS ANTIQUES,PARTS FOR SCHWINN PANTHER, PHANTOM ,TYPHOON,CORVETTE,B-6,AEROCYCLE,RANGER, LA’SALLE,EXCELSIOR,SPITFIRE,MEAD RANGER,MEAD CYCLE, PARAMOUNT,VERSITY,AUTOCYCLE,DX,ACE,LINCOLN,WHIZZER,,TORNADO,,HORNET,,STARLET,,KRATE,,STINGRAY,,FASTBACK,,RACER,,LIL TIGER,,AMF,,ROADMASTER,,B.F.GOODRICH,,COLSON COLUMBIA,,DAYTON,,ELGIN,,FIRESTONE,,HUFFMAN,,HAWTHORNE,,HUFFY,,IVER JOHNSON,,J.C.HIGGINS,,MERCURY,,SILVER KING,,MONARK,,MURRAY,,ROLLFAST,

VERY LARGE COLLECTION OF VINTAGE TIRES AND RE POP TIRES,, HANDLE BARS, WHEELS, CABLES,,SPOKES,,GRIPS,,BIKE TUBES,,FORKS,,FENDERS,,BICYCLE ACCESSORIES,,CHAINS,,CHAIN GUARDS,,STREEMERS,,PEDALS,, RIMS,,HEAD BADGE,, REFLECTORS,, BIKE HORNS,,BIKE LIGHTS,,CRANKS,, HEAD SETS, CRANK SETS,,DECALS,,BICYCLE PAPER WORK & BOOKS,,APPLE KRATE,,LEMMON PEELER,, PEA PICKER,,RALEIGH CHOPPER,MANTA RAY,, COTTON PICKER,,ORANGE KRATE,, GREY GHOST,,SCHWINN SUPER DELUXE,, FASTBACK,,SHIFTERS,,BIKE MIRROR,, BANANA SEATS,SPRING FORKS,,SPEEDOMETERS,, SISSY BAR,,PADS,,BMX BIKE,,ROAD BIKES,, RACEING BIKES,,,,,,SCHWINN STORE AND BICYCLEHEAVEN WAS GIVEN AN EBAY AWARD FOR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE AND PROFESSIONALISM,,

PLEASE GO TO BICYCLEHEAVEN MY OTHER EBAY STORE FOR OVER 80.000 OTHER BIKES & PARTS,,,,,,,,,

I HAVE EVERY DARN BIKE PART YOU COULD EVER ASK FOR AND IM OPEN 7 DAYS A WEEK,,INFO ON MY EBAY ITEMS MY CRAIG MY CELL,412 716 4956 EAST COAST TIME ,AFTER NOONS BEST OR TILL 11:00 NIGHT

IF NEEDED,COME VISIT OUR BIKE SHOP BIKE MUSEUM CALLED BICYCLE HEAVEN AT 1800 PREBLE AVE RJ CASEY INDUSTRAIL PARK PITTSBURGH PA 15233 COLUMBUS & PREBLE AVE


jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 9:01am #

The only thing that bothers me about that, really, is the CAPS LOCK key. They are providing a service, showing folks old bikes, etc., providing a place for bike nerds to hang out, etc. Selling some of their stuff keeps them in business and gets people access to old bike parts. You think they’re getting rich?
Spray painting directions is sort of annoying, though. Also not that bright since it’s not hard to figure out who did it. Though the strategy of blaming boy scouts and errant bike enthusiasts is cute.


RustyRed

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Aug 16 2013 at 9:20am #

The markings were gone within 2 hours of KDKA and the City showing up, mission accomplished.
The horse is dead.


Drewbacca

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Aug 16 2013 at 11:23am #

Pierce wrote:It’s like saying to Kraynick to clean up his shop because people who shop at Trek don’t like it

Only, it isn’t… not even remotely. What Kraynick does INSIDE his own shop is his own business (granted it doesn’t attract vermin or create a fire hazard for his neighbors… or otherwise break any laws).

Honestly, I can see one or two signs to help with direction… even if illegal (so long as a long term plan is in the works). How any of you can defend 75-100 of these things is beyond me. Graffiti invites more graffiti. If you don’t have a problem with graffiti, then there is simply no way we will see eye-to-eye on this. Even if you are ok with it, it’s bad PR for the cycling community as a whole.

As far as customer base, I’ll still check out the museum at some point when I’m in town but this whole discussion has made me unlikely to ever be a supporter of the establishment, beyond that (but I’ll hold off on that until I’ve had a chance to talk to Craig face-to-face and see firsthand what he brings to the burgh). I’m sure that I’m not the only one alienated by such things. That said, I do appreciate that BH acted quickly once this issue grabbed media and gov’t attention.


jonawebb

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Aug 16 2013 at 11:49am #

@db, this was not what people usually mean by graffiti. Calling it that is misleading at best. It was an inept attempt to publicize a business. And when they were called out on it (by the press and government) they cleaned it up. Blaming it on boy scouts etc. was kind of sucky, they should have cleaned it up before, and I don’t disagree with your bad impression of the place as a result. But let’s not make it into something worse than it was.


Drewbacca

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Aug 16 2013 at 11:53am #

Fair enough.
Also in BH’s defense… if the museum is just a “tax write off” then there would be no reason to be so helpful with directions, so I think there is an honest attempt to be part of the community going on here.


bikeygirl

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:14pm #

In BH defense:

Regardless of the graffiti and what ebay-business the do, they DO have a very impressive collection of bikes. I’ve been there a couple of times, and enjoyed myself immensely every time getting lost among the rows upon rows of bikes, bike parts, and other collectibles. Also, the people I talked while there were pretty amenable. Sometimes when I’ve gone in long rides and find myself with no water, the BH is the only spot where to grab some shade, and get a cold drink or snack.

So, from that point of view, I do-recommend checking the place. AND are also glad that BH’s large collection of bikes is in Pittsburgh. AND that they donate their money and bikes to BikePgh and other events. They just need to tune-up their image & marketing (don’t half-ass it)., be a responsible business/operation in ALL fronts; and don’t throw under-the-bus others when you can’t own up to your own shortcomings.

And last but not least, THANK YOU for taking the graffiti off.


Pierce

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:28pm #

I’ve been to BH once and it was pretty damn amazing

Very seldom do I come across interesting or novel things, BH was both

How many of you have seen a bicycle from the USSR?

It’s obviously a business and museum

museum: A building in which objects of historical, scientific, artistic, or cultural interest are stored and exhibited.

Museum collections change, they buy and sell pieces too

Unless the Trek chain has some mega-warehouse, BH has the largest collection of bicycles in the city. He could probably sell half his collection and that would still be true

If you want to say compare it Carnegie, remember that they charge $17.95 for an adult ticket, BH charges nothing


bicycle heaven

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:32pm #

bikeygirl wrote:In BH defense:

Regardless of the graffiti and what ebay-business the do, they DO have a very impressive collection of bikes. I’ve been there a couple of times, and enjoyed myself immensely every time getting lost among the rows upon rows of bikes, bike parts, and other collectibles. Also, the people I talked while there were pretty amenable. Sometimes when I’ve gone in long rides and find myself with no water, the BH is the only spot where to grab some shade, and get a cold drink or snack.

So, from that point of view, I do-recommend checking the place. AND are also glad that BH’s large collection of bikes is in Pittsburgh. AND that they donate their money and bikes to BikePgh and other events. They just need to tune-up their image & marketing (don’t half-ass it)., be a responsible business/operation in ALL fronts; and don’t throw under-the-bus others when you can’t own up to your own shortcomings.

And last but not least, THANK YOU for taking the graffiti off.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks im trying my best and your right I could use some help on things,i try to do to much myself.


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:38pm #

I rarely go down the Ohio River trail, but the last time I did, there were permanent metal signs at several intersections saying “Bicycle Heaven this way –>” … have those been removed?


Vannevar

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Aug 16 2013 at 12:47pm #

My earnest and sincere thank you to bike heaven. I rode from the Valspar building to the casino and the trail graffiti was all cleaned up. I appreciate it. Thank you.

I did see the four or five signs and i think they’Re great.

Im trying to think what i can do in return, two things come to mind.

When i get to a computer ill make a submission to google maps requesting they’re shown as a POI.

Two i’d like to ask, BH can you sponsor a trail section? Like AdoptAHighway? I think you’d get trail signage and lots of goodwill from that.

Im done. Thank you.


bicycle heaven

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Aug 16 2013 at 2:34pm #

Vannevar wrote:My earnest and sincere thank you to bike heaven. I rode from the Valspar building to the casino and the trail graffiti was all cleaned up. I appreciate it. Thank you.

I did see the four or five signs and i think they’Re great.

Im trying to think what i can do in return, two things come to mind.

When i get to a computer ill make a submission to google maps requesting they’re shown as a POI.

Two i’d like to ask, BH can you sponsor a trail section? Like AdoptAHighway? I think you’d get trail signage and lots of goodwill from that.

Im done. Thank you. OK thanks the same,yes I would go for the sponsor trail ,send info when you can how to do that,the signs I put up a good while back but I may have to take them down.thank you


Ahlir

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Aug 16 2013 at 9:49pm #


If our city can be plastered with corporate crap all over the place, what’s wrong with individuals or small businesses doing it?

Again, what’s the problem? Local businesses do this all the time. No one complains (to my knowledge). Why is bicycling different?
I mean, “Mature Singles” seems to be acceptable…
Why get all puritanical about bike-related stuff?
We just want it to be a part of normal life, right?


Pierce

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Aug 16 2013 at 9:55pm #

Ha! I forgot about those Ahlir! Yeah, how many signs have I seen for some kind of send-a-gram thing, singles of various types, people who buy houses of any condition, etc, etc, etc

For once, something useful along my path of travel!


Ahlir

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Aug 16 2013 at 10:13pm #

Just to be clear: I’ve ridden over the BH tags on the Penitentiary(?) Trail. I wasn’t particularly happy to do so, but I was not personally offended. These days, cities are pretty much all tagged up; you get used to it.

I should point out that, once you’ve reached the pen and are riding back along Beaver, the BH is pretty easy to spot. Someday I might actually stop; mostly I’m focused on desperately (laughably?) hammering my way up to the casino.


Pierce

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Aug 16 2013 at 10:38pm #

” If you don’t have a problem with graffiti, then there is simply no way we will see eye-to-eye on this.”

I have a slightly more nuanced position. I’m against graffiti on private property, and I prefer artistic stuff compared to spray painting tags/cliche things

Now I’m more tolerable to tags in interesting or hard to get to areas or humerus tags, like Thor’s black and gold thing by the Whole Foods bridge


Drewbacca

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Aug 17 2013 at 12:37am #

Yes, I admit that there is a lot of grey/gray area…


quizbot

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Aug 17 2013 at 9:17am #

I think Kennywood style signs would be fine if done professionally. Who knows what “BH” even means? Certainly not anyone who’s never heard of it.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Aug 17 2013 at 10:27am #

Beverly Hills?
bh Bikes (bhbikes-us.com/)?
Biglari Holdings, Inc.?
BH Cosmetics (bhcosmetics.com)?
BH – symbol for element bohrium (and who doesn’t love them some bohrium?)?

I loves me mah google machine.


Vannevar

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Aug 17 2013 at 4:14pm #

Brighton Heights


smarchit

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Aug 17 2013 at 8:36pm #

There’s bohrium in Brighton Heights?!?! Eureeka!!! Let’s load up the wagons!! We’re gonna be rich!!!!!!! I’m telling yinz, it’ll be like we’ve died and gone to bicycle heaven!!


smarchit

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Aug 17 2013 at 8:38pm #

Like a California Avenue goldrush even!


StuInMcCandless

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Aug 19 2013 at 11:20am #

I have not seen the museum. I have, however, been to the now-closed bicycle museum in Orchard Park NY, outside Buffalo a few years back (2006). That place was a true museum, but also went belly up because they couldn’t pay the bills. So I’m willing to cut this guy some slack. I’m sure he has a good bit of overhead.

But I do wish he’d knock it off with the all-caps text. It just looks unprofessional.


Lou M.

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Aug 19 2013 at 11:49am #

Things must be pretty good in this world if this forum is complaining on 2 pages about hardly visible tagging and caps lock.

Rough.


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 19 2013 at 11:53am #

Oh, FFS. This bullshit again? Most people don’t find it that difficult to keep multiple concepts in their head at one time. Some of us are even capable of processing multiple opposing concepts. For example, I’m happy to accept that a bicycle museum is an awesome concept while being disturbed by the current proprietor’s business practices and advertising methods, and still have plenty of time to be profoundly angry at the IOC’s complicity in Russia’s suppression of queer athlete’s at this winter’s Olympics and across the country in general.


bikeygirl

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Aug 19 2013 at 12:22pm #

Can we just move on from this already?
How about them Steelers? :)


JaySherman5000

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Aug 19 2013 at 12:26pm #

+1 for letting it die already. If you really think that spray painting an area that already looks like a concrete shitbox is graffiti, then either file a police report or STFU.

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