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Bike lane to replace several blocks of free parking in the South Side

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HiddenVariable

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Jul 17 2012 at 7:40pm #

It should also be explained to her how much safer the street is for everyone else.

how will the streets be safer with all the rioting over lack of parking?

this is amazing news, and there’s going to be a lot of people bothered by it (i hear tell that the residents of bloomfield were pissed when the bike lanes were put in, because, well, i don’t know? but apparently they were). but it’ll blow over.

it’s funny that they used as an example someone who already walked a few blocks, and now simply has to add something that people pay to do for the fun of it as part of her commute. i don’t envy the increased economic burden this will be to her, but that’s what happens when we stop subsidizing something. suddenly you have to pay for it.


edmonds59

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Jul 17 2012 at 7:42pm #

So ALMKLM, biking should be an easy sell, yes? :)

Marko, I was thinking a bit of the same thing, the narrowness of that stretch provides an awkward kind of traffic calming. People who have been parking in that stretch have been risking their lives for traffic calming. For free. American heroes.


sloaps

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Jul 17 2012 at 7:44pm #

With proximity to the light rail station, Smithfield street, Allegheny Passage, all we would need is a bike phase at that traffic signal to provide Dutch-grade infrastructure Pittsburgh style

TIGER IV program funding, perhaps?


Benzo

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Jul 17 2012 at 7:44pm #

I hope they will be enforcing no-parking regulations there, with towing… Every morning I’m used to seeing parked vehicles on millvale ave lanes by west penn hospital.

I put in another 311 ticket after automated entrance system vans were parked in the bike lane 2 days in a row…


Pierce

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Jul 17 2012 at 8:01pm #

@orionz06

I think there is a cheaper rate parking lot across the street, but I can’t make out what it is on Google Maps.

I can understand that change is annoying, while at the same time, I don’t want to delay implementing healthier infrastructure because some lady has been having a pretty good deal for however long this has been going on.

To add on to what others are saying, it’s not “free parking.” We’re maintaining that road, we’re subsidizing her gasoline, we’re subsidizing her increased overall medical bills from lack of exercise, we’re inhaling her exhaust. I think short trips like that pollute the most too. So why does she get to put all of that on us?

Furthermore, if she can’t afford to pay $100 in parking, how much is she paying to drive the car up and down the hill everyday, insurance, car maintenance, etc? I think cars are probably one of the poor people’s greatest enemies.


StuInMcCandless

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Jul 17 2012 at 8:07pm #

$105 a month to park? A monthly transit pass is $97.50.

Y’know, if 50,000 drivers would just start paying fare, whether they rode the bus or not, PAT could close its budget hole without bothering Harrisburg at all.

This would be a nice start.

EDIT: For a large part of MtWash, if you take the 40 MtWash bus OUTBOUND in the morning, it takes you right to the Duquesne Incline. Ride that down and catch any of about 10-15 bus routes for a two-minute trip into the city. It’s a double transfer, so cash and ticket riders are screwed ($2.50 + $1 + $2.50 again), but pass riders are good to go. Outbound morning means the bus is empty, except for the few who know that trick.


Anonymous

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Jul 17 2012 at 8:55pm #

@StuInMcCandless

50,000 * $100 = $5,000,000 per month or $60,000,000 per year. IMMSMC, current revenue from ticket sale is just above $100,000,000. And budget is more than $320,000,000. How?


Vannevar

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Jul 17 2012 at 11:49pm #

it’s great news. thanks!


StuInMcCandless

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Jul 18 2012 at 12:40am #

The deficit is $64M. 50K people at about $1,200 annual fares each would be $60M of that $64M. By rough numbers, it’s close enough. The point is, people would rather spend 5x to 10x the cost of annual bus fare to get themselves around by car. Getting rid of parking might cause more people to use transit, allowing it to be more able to pay for itself.

People’s next biggest objection to using transit is that “it’s too far to get to the bus stop”. Solution: Use bicycles to cover that distance.

Thus, my fixation with transit and bicycles. Anything but the car.

These are good things happening.


bear250220

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:59am #

i wish there were big parking lots outside of the city and you could leave your car there and bike into the city from the parking lot i guess if you wernt in good enough shape to bike there could also be buses


stefb

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:27am #

Wow channel 11 kinda shit on this with the tone and wording tonight on the 10pm news on fox. They ended up interviewing a cyclist who made a good point about how it will improve safety, but they presented it like it was a horrible thing and bad for a local business cause people may have to walk their fat asses from some other place nearby where they can probably park instead.


Mick

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:38am #

I just read a PG article

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/plan-in-works-to-avoid-port-authority-cutbacks-643253/?p=0

I shouldn’t be putting down the union guys when they are making concessions. That is a hard, hard thing for a union to do. Although the union members are all well-paid, you know some of them are living paycheck to paycheck and this is gonna hurt.

Also I feel like a fool – article is weeks old and I’m talking sh*t about stuff I don’t know anything about.


edmonds59

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:45am #

“i wish there were big parking lots outside of the city and you could leave your car there and bike into the city from the parking lot i guess if you wernt in good enough shape to bike there could also be buses”

Some genius bought a bunch of swamp land in Florida and built just such a place and called it “Disney World”. People love it. Except nobody’s in good enough shape so it’s just all buses.


Anonymous

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Jul 18 2012 at 4:07am #

I am 15. If I drive, someone goes to jail. I go everywhere I want by myself— no rides. Many people do not realize that you can get from Tarentum to the Airport by bus: 2 buses. I think we need to let people know how easy it is to get around town by bike and transit. That Mt Wash woman may honestly just not know what her alternatives are. The only reason I do is because there is no alternative for me. But it’s proven to me that (before these massive looming cuts) you can stick a pin pretty much anywhere in the county and get there on two buses. But if no one tells these people they’ll never know.


Mick

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Jul 18 2012 at 6:10am #

+1 W Roger


StuInMcCandless

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Jul 18 2012 at 11:10am #

Wow, it’s nice when someone else shows up out of nowhere and says precisely what I’ve been saying for 20 years now.

It’s all about knowing how to make the system work for you. Non-intuitive and counter-intuitive connections (like an outbound bus and a double transfer to get Downtown in the morning), combined with the complexity of the fare system, have chased people away from using the system, so they drive. Get past that, and the system works pretty well.


orionz06

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Jul 18 2012 at 11:32am #

My only complaint is time. I don’t have enough of it, the bus does not work for me. Biking is faster. Especially now with all sorts of ramps and bridges closed sporadically the ability to ride a bike to work is that much better. Sort of sucks to have to shower when I get home but the time is still saved and I am all cleaned up.


zjc2a

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Jul 18 2012 at 12:19pm #

I think that you will see younger generations adopt more and more public transportation and alternative modes of transportation.

In the year and half I have lived in Pittsburgh it seems that I have noticed more and more people biking around town. I wonder if you measured it now, what would be the bike commuter %, I am willing to be higher than the 1.6% last reported.


edmonds59

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:07pm #

Aside from the immediate issue, you would hope our News Reporters would have the wits to ask the questions that immediately come to some, such as Why do some people think they deserve free parking? Or why not just take the incline? Reporters are just lining their ratings by playing to the most sensational angle, not a public service. Pathetic.

Also, plus 1 Roger and zjc2a!


rsprake

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:13pm #

What businesses are there that will even be effected? As the woman in the original article proved, people are parking there for free and walking to work which means that the spot doesn’t get used by a customer anyway.


rice rocket

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:14pm #

Domino’s is all I can think of. There’s some auto repair place there too.


orionz06

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:16pm #

Went past there today and had the same question… What businesses will be impacted? More so, on the one video where the lady was working in what appeared to be her home, what business does she own that she claims will be impacted?


rsprake

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:28pm #

If they want to free up parking they can meter the other side of the street.


Swalfoort

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:28pm #

There are some businesses that will suffer. The bulk of the tenants in the Terminal Building, for example. And a few small businesses (Rivas, the Nicaraguan restaurant, comes to mind). It is probably bad for them. But, overall, a horrible place to park unless you have an immediate need in the immediate neighborhood.


Anonymous

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:40pm #

As far as tenants in the Terminal building go (that’s where I work), there are a fair number of people who bike to work most days. There’s perfect access right along the Three Rivers Heritage trail, which makes for a nice ride from Station Square or if you’re coming from the east (Shady Side, Squirrel Hill, Oakland, etc.).

I don’t think the removal of this section of parking will affect the majority of Terminal building tenants, as there is adequate parking in other areas around the building (there’s a parking lot and on street parking between Cabot Way and Bingham St., as well as a parking along the river).

Honestly, I think this is one where the news actually got it right with the lady they interviewed. My hunch is that most people that park there work in station square and don’t want to pay to park.


erok

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Jul 18 2012 at 1:44pm #

i used to work in the building there. they have a parking lot. without a doubt most of those people are driving in and parking for free cause it’s a quick walk to the southern end of downtown


ejwme

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:09pm #

I had no idea there was a Nicaraguan restaurant in town. Since I’ve never eaten that kind of food that I know of, it’s now tippy top on my list of places to try. So the lack of parking has now gotten them at least one additional customer….

but urban spoon says they’re closed (and their website is down) http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/23/334204/restaurant/South-Side/Rivas-Nicaraguan-Restaurant-Pittsburgh

what’s the story? (sorry to pull so OT, but food is important)


orionz06

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:21pm #

Anyone ask them about the availability of bike racks at their location, if they are open? Perhaps they are completely unaware that people get places in other ways than a car (doubtful).


Anonymous

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:51pm #

Bike lanes are good.

Public transportation just does not work for our family. When my younger daughter got admitted to Mckeesport PSU campus she started to use T and buses (and I started to use T to get to work). 3.5 hours of commute per day was about as far as she could go. But then PAT cut 56C going to the campus and it became 3 hour commute one way with 2 transfers. or 6 hours per day. So we abandoned public transportation since T does not let you use bike during rush hours. And PAT lost our ($105+$138)*12 money.


Erica

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Jul 18 2012 at 2:57pm #

Actually, the T does allow bikes at all hours now, iirc


Anonymous

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Jul 18 2012 at 3:03pm #

Well, last year kind of. This is a quote from PAT web site:

Bikes on the T

Bikes are allowed on the Port Authority’s light rail system – commonly known as the T – at all times in either direction. Riders may load/unload their non-folding bikes at high-platform stations only. View a light rail system map that identifies high-platform stations.

Two bikes are permitted per light rail vehicle and must be stowed in the designated wheelchair spaces. Persons in wheelchairs have priority over bicycles.

When I was using T the last paragraph would made it impossible for me to get on a T at a given time.


Erica

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Jul 18 2012 at 3:05pm #

I don’t really take the T much (maybe once every few years), so I hadn’t really thought about that. I wouldn’t want to take my chances, now that I think about it, though


Anonymous

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Jul 18 2012 at 3:28pm #

Well, there was a person in wheel chair going to work I assume. And I am not going to compete for the spot. And back then bie weren’t allowed during rush hours.


rsprake

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Jul 18 2012 at 4:27pm #

I can’t wait until the media blames the bike lane for the restaurant closing.


StuInMcCandless

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Jul 18 2012 at 7:42pm #

A woman I went to grad school with lived somewhere near Brownsville & Agnew in Carrick, and commuted to Equitable Gas on S.9th & ECarson. Drove every day. Said she didn’t want to figure out the bus schedule. Unflippinbelievable, since the 51C had 12-minute headways during rush, and the service covered 21 hours a day.


buffalo buffalo

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Jul 18 2012 at 7:53pm #

I went to the transportation meeting at guardian storage in the strip last night.

We had several people advocating for some sort of circulator bus between the strip and downtown, and the strip and Bloomfield, and my group had a couple people who live in Strip condos (Cork Factory & Otto Milk, I think) wanting parking, parking, parking–“if we add more residential, where are they going to park?”


StuInMcCandless

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Jul 18 2012 at 8:07pm #

Near Cork Factory, there are 220 trips each direction among the 86 Penn, 87 Friendship, 88 Liberty, and 91 Butler routes, covering from 4:25 a.m. to 1:40 a.m.

Learn how to use the system! You don’t need a friggin’ car! That is the message PAT needs to be pounding into the public consciousness. Part of the problem is that the property owners and managers are 50 or older, and never knew a time that cars were anything other than a necessity. You might not eat, but you had a car, by gawd. They’re the ones making the decisions, they’re the ones whose minds most need to change.


ieverhart

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Jul 18 2012 at 8:11pm #

That Mt Wash woman may honestly just not know what her alternatives are.

Said she didn’t want to figure out the bus schedule.

I suspect nothing could be quite as illuminating to the transit-unaware as plugging their commute into Google Maps and clicking on the “Transit Directions” button. Am I the only one who has an idle curiosity of how one would get from various places to various other places on public transportation and runs many variations on that?

Surely there are tricks, transfers and special routings that you can really only intuit with experience, but a well-integrated transit mapping service does a lot of the legwork and thinking for you.

(Private to Stu’s grad school friend: http://goo.gl/maps/ikcM)


buffalo buffalo

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Jul 18 2012 at 8:26pm #

> The trail quote is a bit inaccurate. I meant to say that the southside trail closes. With that said, the closure is a passive closure and there is no enforcement that I know of. It’s more of a recommendation of “don’t use the trail at night because it’s dark and isolated” closure, so don’t worry about getting beef for riding on it at night.

Perhaps the solution is to light the trails and make them more friendly, then.

Spring Way through the Strip is dark and isolated at night, but it’s still open (and, in fact, is my preferred route at night, since Liberty traffic is so fast, and Smallman so unpredictable).

“The trails are part of the park system, and all the parks close at night”, the city might say. As was pointed out when I suggested this might be the reasoning, Serpentine and other roads through Schenley Park are open at night…


rsprake

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Jul 18 2012 at 8:30pm #

“if we add more residential, where are they going to park?”

Good thing there are parking minimums. Every residential building has ugly parking garages attached to them. If they want to fix the parking problem they need to get rid of the free parking. People park on the street in front of business and go to work all day.

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