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Bikers Hit at Reynolds and S. Lexington

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pratt

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Apr 22 2013 at 4:44pm #

Police have it taped off and there is a Jeep in the middle of the road. Looks like a parent and kid possibly, big bike and smaller mountain bike. News is on scene now.


bikeygirl

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Apr 22 2013 at 4:49pm #

fudge!!! :(


pratt

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Apr 22 2013 at 4:54pm #

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/22/8-year-old-hit-trapped-under-car/

not good


bikeygirl

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Apr 22 2013 at 5:00pm #

< / 3

pratt wrote:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/04/22/8-year-old-hit-trapped-under-car/

not good


Marko82

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Apr 22 2013 at 5:26pm #

I hope they are both ok.


Pierce

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Apr 22 2013 at 6:13pm #

I hope that isn’t the father and son pair we known from Flock/other rides

I’m pretty sure they travel around that area


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 6:50pm #

That is shitty news, hope they are OK.


buffalo buffalo

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Apr 22 2013 at 7:15pm #

As an aside, what is it with KDKA comment sections? Maybe it’s just me, but they seem to have the most consistently blatantly offensive commenters of any of the major media outlets in town…


buffalo buffalo

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Apr 22 2013 at 7:21pm #

Interesting:
WTAE has it as the kid was riding with friends: http://www.wtae.com/news/local/allegheny/Child-hit-by-vehicle-while-riding-bicycle-in-Point-Breeze/-/10927008/19851036/-/sssh1vz/-/index.html
Trib has it kid riding with parent & sibling: http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3891141-74/police-vehicle-campbell#axzz2RF0vyztp

PG and WPXI are MIA…


ieverhart

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Apr 22 2013 at 7:53pm #

Wow, I rode by that area just now, and saw police cars, one at Reynolds at Lexington and the other blocking off Reynolds by the circle. Hoping for the best…


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 8:02pm #

buffalo: looks like kdka deleted them but i saw them earlier – that was some truly disgusting stupid racist crap.

“critical condition” per the Trib, and the fact there are still cops on the scene according to Ian gives me a bad feeling… hope I’m wrong and the kid is ok.


joanne

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Apr 22 2013 at 8:20pm #

Bloody hell, that’s right by the park. :( Cars should be at crawl speed along there.


Pierce

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Apr 22 2013 at 8:36pm #

I’m getting a sense of malaise with the probable fact that with the warmer weather and more riders, the more of these stories we’re going to see until next fall


katyfrey

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Apr 22 2013 at 8:48pm #

I was walking by and saw it happen (from about 100 yards away in the park) but it looked to me like it was a dad and two kids. The kid was underneath the vehicle. Fire/Police came very quickly.

I’ve been working on traffic safety with the neighborhood associations in Park Place and Regent Square. Seeing that today really scared me because I consider Reynolds to be one of the safer bike passages in the area and am on that all the time with my 3 year old in a trailer.


byogman

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Apr 22 2013 at 8:49pm #

Do we have a record of all crashes where a cyclist is seriously injured or killed by a motorist? If not what’s preventing one from being put together?

I hate to say this, but there are so many of these that I don’t know how to invest myself in the cause at a personal level unless it really is someone I know.

But organized data > disorganized data, that much I do know. Someone with more info on what’s out there please share and/or if there are plans to improve things PM me and let me know if there’s any way another programmer might help the cause.


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 9:06pm #

story is on cw news now. A cop interviewed said it was a parent and 2 children although they showed 3 bikes propped against a cop car with another one lying mangled in the street. helmet looks reasonably intact. they also said residents did CPR on the kid before paramedics arrived. not much else in the way of details.


rachel_ding

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Apr 22 2013 at 9:22pm #

In the article linked below, a neighbor (she’s referred to as a neighbor in another article) had this to say:

“People drive over here to avoid Penn Avenue,” Maryanne Loebig said. “To see another bicycle accident should give city planning people and residents pause to think about traveling through this neighborhood.”

Translation: People on bikes shouldn’t be traveling through this neighborhood.

“It’s so sad. Neither the driver nor the family expected this to happen. That poor woman. I want to go put my arms around her.”

I think she’s referring to the female driver. WTF? Seriously shocking.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3891141-74/police-vehicle-campbell#ixzz2RFUlJYr0


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 22 2013 at 9:35pm #

Can we please get a straight story on who was involved, what happened, and how? Too many variants, not enough information, to draw any conclusions.

This is a block beyond the Frick Art Museum, right? How do you even get to any speed along there?


katyfrey

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Apr 22 2013 at 9:51pm #

I won’t speculate too much about what I think happened, since I was kind of far away, but there were a ton of people around. I’m glad nobody tried to interview me…I was so shaken up who knows what would have come out of my mouth. It was truly one of the most awful things I have ever witnessed.


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 9:59pm #

Stu, the “Parent and his 2 children” thing came straight out of the mouth of a cop on TV who appeared to be at the scene, so I think that’s the most accurate information available. I saw 4 bikes in the video, but one could have been a passer-by or something.

The driver (who they showed multiple times, “looking distraught”) was a middle aged woman, the vehicle she was pacing around was a white Jeep SUV. I got the plate number but I thought the better of posting it.


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:02pm #

Here is the video I saw: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/video/8800166-8-year-old-hit-trapped-under-car/

Also, Rachel, that is messed up – “That poor woman”?


ErinK

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:11pm #

A friend of mine also witnessed this and said the driver was turning from Reynolds onto Lexington. My friend said it was a boy with his father and sister.

The Post-Gazette story has N. Lexington, but it was S. Lexington.

I rode by the scene at about 6:30 but didn’t poke into it much (I detoured through the park since the road was closed). Since there’s a sharrows bike route along that road I know Google Maps uses it a lot on the bike directions (at least between my house and lots of East End destinations).

Rachel, I read the Trib article and given that they put that quote right after talk of Penn Avenue being dangerous for cyclists I interpreted it to mean that cars shouldn’t be shortcutting and maybe city planning should do something about that. I know that Regent Square has made some streets one way to minimize that kind of traffic on the residential streets near S. Braddock.


joanne

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:18pm #

I shouldn’t speculate either. I will say that I am furious about the coverage of this story. They report that the driver “stayed at the scene” and “looked distraught” as if that has any bearing on her culpability or lack thereof.

I believe they are pre-emptively excusing her, because they’re imagining being in her shoes (rather than being in the shoes of the poor child who was hit).


buffalo buffalo

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:22pm #

“they’re imagining being in her shoes (rather than being in the shoes of the poor child who was hit).”

+1

+5.


Pseudacris

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:30pm #

This is about 2 blocks from Sterret Elementary.


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:34pm #

Nearly content-free WTAE video: http://www.wtae.com/news/local/allegheny/Boy-8-hit-by-SUV-while-riding-bicycle-with-family/-/10927008/19851036/-/format/rsss_2.0/-/ql8l7v/-/index.html

I know it’s hard to imagine, but just maybe the kid that got run over and his parents are more shaken up than the person who inflicted the injuries?


[...] the incident shook up many who watched the aftermath.

Perhaps none more shaken than the driver herself, visibly distraught outside her grey Jeep, and understandably upset on the sidewalk as she spoke to investigators about the young victim.


salty

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:37pm #

Oh, and I see the driver apparently admitted guilt – except, stupid me, I forgot, “I didn’t see someone right in front of me in broad daylight” is a valid excuse, no wrongdoing implied.

Police say he was riding his bike — with a parent and a sibling also on their bikes in front of him — but that the driver didn’t see the boy when turning from Reynolds onto South Lexington, pinning him under her SUV.


bikeygirl

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:42pm #

buffalo buffalo wrote:“they’re imagining being in her shoes (rather than being in the shoes of the poor child who was hit).”

+1

+5.

+10000


Vannevar

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Apr 22 2013 at 10:48pm #

Media empathy for the driver is a lot like media sympathy for the men rapists convicted in Stuebenville, their lives ruined, their potential squandered; they might have played in the NFL someday! The humanity.

But they’ve got dramatic pictures of an emotional person, and they don’t have any pictures of the victim, so it becomes a story about Driver Pathos instead of Driver Pathology.

hmm.


ajbooth

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Apr 22 2013 at 11:11pm #

First of all, I’ve praying for the boy, his family, and yes, the driver.

I don’t see the media empathy for the driver, at least not what I’ve read. Pointing out that the driver was visibly upset and shaken is simply reporting the news, because she clearly was. At least she didn’t drive away, like the other drivers last year. I don’t see “pre-emptive excusing” or really any media slant–they stick a microphone in someone’s face, who says “that poor woman” and we’re ready to slam the media outlet?

When I read the quote about drivers avoiding Penn Avenue, I interpreted it the same way as ErinK–the city needs to engineer the area to keep cars out.

We don’t know much of what happened. In my opinion, the media coverage is fair. Let’s see what tomorrow brings, when we know more…


chinston

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Apr 22 2013 at 11:29pm #

The police better get the driver’s cell phone, text, and email records for that time, at a minimum.

Horrible story.


Mick

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Apr 22 2013 at 11:39pm #

The police better get the driver’s cell phone, text, and email records for that time, at a minimum.

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rachel_ding

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Apr 23 2013 at 12:35am #

@ajbooth Other media outlets got more varied quotes than the Trib article did – I’m too tired right now to go through it all.

And yes, I’m definitely fine with criticizing a media outlet that quotes “that poor woman” in reference to a driver who hit a little boy, especially when the story is more about the driver than the boy. The media reports tons of people were there at the scene – there were a lot of people they could have quoted. There are a lot of ways that article could have been written, and the Trib chose to go for the “sympathizing with the driver” slant – very insensitive.

It will probably be re-published differently tomorrow anyway, so we’ll see.


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 23 2013 at 1:46am #

I am just trying to figure out how anything could occur at a T intersection with one side having a stop sign and one other being a dead-end street.


furchtbar

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Apr 23 2013 at 5:20am #

It was my son. He was riding towards the Homewood cemetery to do some safe hill repeats. Single file, three riders, together, helmets and long finger gloves. A driver missed my husband and daughter,his twin sister, and hit him full on with a LEFT hand turn onto Lexington.
Good job Bike PGH, but this is far from a bike friendly city. My husband and I commute. I have been hit twice at the Reynolds Roundabout.


furchtbar

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Apr 23 2013 at 5:23am #

Actually, I feel for the driver, shit happens, but don’t label her as probably most distraught of all. My husband and daughter heard it, saw it. My husband dragged his near lifeless body from beneath the SUV (single driver). Who is distraught?


edmonds59

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Apr 23 2013 at 5:41am #

I’m so sorry furchtbar, I so hope your son recovers.
I saw the 11:00 report, the news coverage of this is sickening. I’m shaking right now with anger. Bullshit on the “poor distraught woman”. Sorry but I don’t feel shit for the driver, that she wasn’t actually in handcuffs is not acceptable to me. If a person can’t operate a motor vehicle in broad daylight on a dry sunny day on a residential street with a speed limit of 25 without hitting someone, they should be disallowed the privilege of operating a vehicle. Pure incompetence. This driver should face charges and lose her license and vehicle permanently.
Some people die in a random terrorist act and people are ready to accept government surveillance and modification of our justice system in a futile reaction, and yet 30,000 to 40,000 people die every year as a direct result of vehicle crashes, and society writes it off as “shit happens”. And bullshit on the term “accident” as well, it’s overwhelmingly driver error. Sickening.
Edit: just looking at google maps – if she was going down Reynolds and making a left on S. Lexington, 5:00pm+-, unless she lives in the neighborhood, it’s almost a lock she was using it as a shortcut past Penn. Miserable POS. I wonder if investigators will take that into account.


ajbooth

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Apr 23 2013 at 6:19am #

@furchtbar, I am sorry, and I pray that your son is going to be OK. Thank you for checking in.


bikeygirl

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Apr 23 2013 at 6:42am #

Furchtbar, my prayers go out to you and your family, and for your son to fully recover from this atrocity. I won’t call this an accident or a tragedy, because for what you describe, if that woman driver had been driving with all do-caution and observance of all traffic laws and safety, this would not have happened.

I don’t know what else to say, except that I know that I, and as I know other fellow cyclist on this thread and community, are with you and your family if you need us.

While I know the the stupid-ass woman driver probably never in a million years meant to do this, it is clearly she is at fault, and if it had been me I would have taken her to jail for negligent driving.

And f’k the local media for once again their reporting is bias and insensitive -it is!!!! I’m so tired of it!!!

This makes me sick…..


Marko82

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:04am #

@furchtbar, My heart goes out to you and your family. I feel so so sad for what has happened and I hope that your son recovers fully, and that your daughter & husband recover as well. Be strong.

While the bike community here is very eager to find out what happened, please limit the info you post on the internet until you speak with a lawyer. And if you havent done so already, please get in touch with the leaders of bike-pgh since unfortunately they have experience with car/bike collisions and are good people.

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