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Bikers Hit at Reynolds and S. Lexington

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chinston

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:09am #

So sorry for you and your family, furchtbar. You are in my thoughts.

Totally ridiculous and callous (and highly revealing) of the reporter to suggest the driver could be most distraught.


rachel_ding

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:10am #

My heart goes out to you too, @furchtbar. I hope your son recovers fully from this.

I agree with what @Marko82 said about contacting BikePGH and being careful with posting info.


erok

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:10am #

furchtbar, my thoughts Have been with you and your family all night. I cant imagine what you guys must be going thru.

Hoping for a speedy recovery of your son.

Im an admin on here and work for bikepgh. If there is anything that we can help with please dont hesitate to contact us.

Just a quick note of caution, be careful posting too many details of the crash as you may be embroiled in some legal stuff coming up.

My thoughts are with you and youll find a ton of support on here


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:43am #

That neighborhood has to rank as one of the most bicycle-friendly neighborhoods in the city. Signs everywhere, wide lanes, lots of stop signs, etc. And on a group ride… what was wrong with the driver? How can you not be extra careful around a family on bikes?


gg

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Apr 23 2013 at 7:59am #

Horrible news. Hope he recovers. Any word on how he is doing? I want to hate that SUV driver, but she at least stopped. I just don’t understand how THREE cyclists are riding together right in front of the park and she actually passes two of them and hits the third?

I am sick. This happens so often it seems. Sometimes I really want to give up. So sorry to hear this. Hoping for a fast recovery of the boy.


Mikhail

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:04am #

My heart goes out to you too, @furchtbar. Hope for full recovery.

Ditto Marko82.


sarah_q

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:12am #

My son (almost 14) bikes and skates all over the city. He is a very safe/conscientious rider. This story terrifies me.

BikePgh and other riders, please make this as public as possible. A family, riding safely, on back roads, single file,and a CHILD is STRUCK by someone NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Period.

@furchtbar – my sincere condolences.


ericf

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:20am #

@furchtbar, I can’t even imagine what your family has gone through in the past hours. I hope your son makes a full and speedy recovery. Thank you for the update, please keep us posted as circumstances allow.


edmonds59

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:21am #

Now that I have cleared my mind a bit with a ride into work, 100% what others have said, i.e.; don’t discuss details on here.
Also this is probably not foremost on your mind right now, but retain an attorney immediately and pursue the utmost action possible. You will find that the law will not inherently be on your side now.
Don’t feel any pity for this driver either. She took responsibility for her actions by putting the key in the ignition, and with every other decision she made that day. The sum of all of those decisions resulted in this incident, this is not an “accident”. Actions need to have consequences.


salty

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:31am #

Well put, edmonds. furtchbar, I’m so sorry (and angry) this happened and hope your son makes a full recovery. If there is anything I can do please ask, I’m sure there is no shortage of people here willing to help.


joanne

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:31am #

I am so so sorry @furchtbar. I hope your little boy recovers fully and quickly, and the police and city take action on this.


rsprake

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:37am #

I hope your son recovers @furchtbar, my heart is broken for you and your family. This shouldn’t have happened.

@katyfrey, thank your for your advocacy. Reynolds is a pretty good candidate for a green boulevard. Those using it as a shortcut should be diverted back to Penn.

In case anyone doesn’t know the intersection, this is it.


Swalfoort

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:43am #

First and foremost, my thoughts and prayers go out to Furchtbar and family. I am very sorry for your pain and anguish. I hope that their son and brother is soon on his way to a complete and speedy recovery.

I am curious about one thing, however. When I checked to police log for yesterday, there was no mention of this incident. Clearly this met the threshold of a “reportable crime” in that a cyclist was removed from the scene (presumably by ambulance). So why no mention of it in Zone 4 logs?

Unless, it was misreported. There was an event logged at about the same time (3:30) a couple blocks away (Penn at South Braddock) that is coded in the same way that a bike accident is often coded.

Either way, it makes it hard to track traffic incidents involving cyclists with any degree of certainty.


Swalfoort

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:45am #

@Sprake – Thanks for posting that photo. Hard to imagine a more “bike friendly” street infrastruture for a kid learning to ride a bike.

Looks a lot like the streets that I grew up riding on. I didn’t realize then how lucky I was.


J Z

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Apr 23 2013 at 8:54am #

@furchtbar, sending our family’s thoughts and prayers for the quick recovery of your son and for peace on your family.


sarapgh2

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Apr 23 2013 at 9:04am #

@Furchtbar my thoughts and prayers for your son and your family. For you son and his quick and full recovery; and for your husband and daughter who had to witness this; and for you. Strength and healing to you all.


LizziMac

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Apr 23 2013 at 10:35am #

My thoughts as well to the family and wishing the victim a speedy recovery!

I am also distressed by the “That poor woman” quote in the Trib article. Likely this is simple reporter bias (hopefully someone stated they felt concern for the victim, but I am horrified there is so little concern noted in the article!), but this bias nevertheless is indicative of the current climate regarding cycling in the city.

Similarly, this video closes with a woman quoted as saying “This was not intentional, I’m sure, on either side”—wait. What?! I doubt the victim rode his bicycle into an SUV to harm the lady driver.

The city has made leaps and bounds to promoting cycling infrastructure and cyclist safety. Hopefully this continues (and increases) and includes victim advocacy as well. The climate needs to change.

Obviously, all people should be able to bike for fun and commute safely on all roadways. But at the very least children should be able to ride bikes with their families on marked streets and be safe!


bikeygirl

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:02am #

The more I think about this, the more upset and angry I get…. this event in unexcusable:

If a driver is driving with all due-diligence, riding to the speed limit, practicing caution, and attention; events like this could be avoided.

If drivers gave the 4′ space as required by law in the State, this could have been avoided.

How can someone not be careful, or not see a family of 3 riding bikes in a residential neighborhood?

I’m sorry, but no sympathy for this driver. If you can’t drive, if you can’t handle your car, or pay attention, stay off the streets.


Drewbacca

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:03am #

Just to repeat what others have said… I’m so sick of this *@%#. I feel for the woman driving, but again, the accident is a direct result of carelessness and possibly aggressiveness. While I feel for her, she gets no sympathy from me and the news-report is BS to even mention it that way.

After all the sympathy that I need to dish out for the affected family, I simply have nothing left for the driver. Why are there so many idiots with a license to drive? I’ve had so many close calls both on a bike and behind the wheel… there are so many careless people out there who should also be carless. Given, it’s a cultural problem in which everyone is in a rush and believes it OK to cut corners. It’s not.

But… whatever. None of that matters at the moment. I just hope their son pulls through this.


bikeygirl

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:17am #

Fore those not on Facebook, there is a ride of support for the family being organized for today. Let’s try to get as many people as possible.

https://www.facebook.com/events/365652246888077/

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Last night a tragic event occurred for a boy and his family riding their bicycles on Reynolds in our neighborhood of Point Breeze. ( http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3891141-74/campbell-police-riding#axzz2RITfETp7 )

We’re meeting to show our support for the family and bike riding in Pittsburgh, and will be riding our bikes around the neighborhood with our kids.

We’ll be meeting at Lexington and Reynolds in Point Breeze at 5:00, and will ride as a group through the neighborhood.

Hope to see you there.


edmonds59

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:20am #

Some may find this useful. From an attorney. The “I didn’t see him” defense;

http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2012/01/18/the-%E2%80%9Cignorance-is-bliss%E2%80%9D-defense/


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:25am #

May I suggest that 5 pm is pretty early for a ride like this, for someone hopes to get there after work? I know this one is already scheduled, but heads up for future rides — and there will be, unfortunately. 6:30 or 7 would be much better, and it’s still light.


bikeygirl

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:29am #

jonawebb wrote:May I suggest that 5 pm is pretty early for a ride like this, for someone hopes to get there after work? I know this one is already scheduled, but heads up for future rides — and there will be, unfortunately. 6:30 or 7 would be much better, and it’s still light.

I’m just the messenger and are not related to the organization of this.


buffalo buffalo

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Apr 23 2013 at 11:58am #

jonawebb wrote:May I suggest that 5 pm is pretty early for a ride like this, for someone hopes to get there after work? I know this one is already scheduled, but heads up for future rides — and there will be, unfortunately. 6:30 or 7 would be much better, and it’s still light.

I’m not the organizer, either, but I suspect that for families with small children, 5pm fits perfectly between school and dinner.

(Unfortunately, I probably won’t be there, either, for the same reason.)


cburch

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Apr 23 2013 at 12:05pm #

yeah, i have client meetings until at least 6 tonight. hopefully we can organize something else as a community in addition to this ride.


katyfrey

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Apr 23 2013 at 12:14pm #

But 5 pm is perfect for families with young kids. :)

FYI: I have a 3 month old who is too young to put on a bike, so I’ll be on foot with him, while my husband rides with our 3 year old, in case any other mamas or papas with babies want to join me there. I walk that route regularly with my kids and I can see the exact same thing happening to a pedestrian at that intersection.


erok

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Apr 23 2013 at 12:31pm #

This is a perfect example of a time to write a letter to the editor to the Trib.

here is the info: http://triblive.com/opinion/sendaletter/


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 12:44pm #

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/8-year-old-boy-in-critical-condition-after-being-hit-on-bicycle-684576/


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 23 2013 at 1:45pm #

A point I made in a parallel conversation on Facebook, but needs repeated here: Why was the driver driving? Never mind attentiveness, blame, whatever. The simple fact that she was behind the wheel at all is a fundamental issue here. Had that driver not been there, there would not have been a car there to run over the kid.

Transit. Cycling. Telephone. Telecommuting. Feet. Carpooling. Not-having-to-go-pick-someone-else-up-because-that-other-person-can-bike-or-bus. ALL of those reasons, if put to better use, would greatly reduce the quantity of cars and congestion and very likely speed, thus making the streets safer for everyone.

Solve that problem.

So, where was she going, whether in a hurry or not? I less care about her personal life, and more care about why a car was necessary to accomplish that.


LizziMac

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Apr 23 2013 at 1:51pm #

erok: Good thinking. I usually remember these things and it seriously didn’t cross my mind. I’ll be sure to send an email.

Also Urban Velo published this article not too long ago concerning cyclists ‘coming out of nowhere.’

My response to that defense is a sentiment my good friend, a physicist, made to me today, “Bikes, like any other solid object in the universe, lack the ability to ‘come out of nowhere.’

I suppose what is most concerning to me about this whole incident (outside of the injured boy, which is number one), is the lack of awareness. I mean, the incident occurred on a commonly traveled route, in a neighborhood with share-the-road signs, on a street with sharrows, during the day, with several people on bikes, by a park. Anyone driving in that road should be on the lookout for cyclists, not surprised to see one, and surely not not seeing one.


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:04pm #

@stu, good points, but what really sucks about this is not that she was driving, but that she decided to avoid heavy rush hour traffic on Penn by driving on a side street, heavily used by cyclists and clearly marked that way. Her time was just too valuable to wait in traffic, so now an 8 year old is in critical condition.


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:07pm #

Recall that on the Philly Naked Bike Ride, the message I had painted on my back was “CAN U C ME NOW?”

I’ll spare you the picture. One exists. NSFW.


sloaps

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:11pm #

Remember to note in your correspondence with local leaders and election candidates that this road was the preferred alternative to Penn Avenue.


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:12pm #

Reminds me… OT, but one of the amazing things I saw on CtC (well before I started hallucinating) was a man stripped to the waist, with a tattooed Confederate flag covering his back. Full red background, blue bars, everything. Must have taken weeks to do.


ajbooth

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:38pm #

I kinda like this…


rsprake

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:39pm #

More details. Sounds like Iain is going to be ok.


jonawebb

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:45pm #

What a relief. Thanks, @rsprake.
Edit, I posted before reading the link. It says he’s going to survive. Let’s keep hoping for a full recovery, which is very possible for someone so young, who has a lot of growing left to do.


rsprake

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Apr 23 2013 at 2:50pm #

True.


Elmo

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Apr 23 2013 at 3:08pm #

Elated to hear that he appears to be okay.

The last quote in the article was incredibly powerful, especially coming from someone who recently moved here.

“There are a lot of friendly riders in Pittsburgh, Ms. Engle said. ‘But the city is not a friendly place to ride,’ she said.

We have an awful lot of work to do in order to amend this torn between drivers and cyclists. I have faith in the individuals who work and participate in this organization that we can make quotes like this a thing of the past.


flyS564

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Apr 23 2013 at 3:46pm #

I hope Iain pulls through. That is such a quiet street and is pretty much in the park.

It can be a frightening experience riding from Regent Square to the East Liberty Target even. Cars driving down the bike lane on E. Liberty Blvd, parts of the Penn ave detour, crossing Penn from Braddock, trying to make a left turn off Braddock with cars speeding behind me, even crossing the street as a pedestrian with my dog at Biddle and Braddock is a joke itself. Flashing lights and “stop in the name of the law” signs don’t do shit for the first 10 cars that ignore you, some most likely going 10mph over the speed limit.

The point is, even a bike lane and a specific yellow painted pedestrian crossing sign clearly marked with lights doesn’t stop a motorist from doing wrong. The cops need to be out ticketing more and I really think speed bumps could help but, won’t resolve all problems.

This blog post also does it for me. I never understood why 3-4 cars can park on such a busy road in the first place. Usually it’s one or two cars. Stop this disruption of traffic and it might also help with the side streets. http://pghroads.tumblr.com/post/45184334555/important-voters-can-park-in-the-road. If they did that, I would forget about my thoughts of having a bike lane on Penn from Braddock Ave to the busway where everyone treats the single lane as two lanes because it will just be another section of road of people not knowing how to merge and driving down the bike lane anyways.

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