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p.leon

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Apr 2 2014 at 2:05pm #

If any of you got side swiped in the last couple months by a silver Lexus ( pa plate Dax 8709) I have info on how you can find the driver.

This thread is far to cluster fucked to spend time searching.


jonawebb

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Apr 2 2014 at 2:18pm #

I made a Dangerous Drivers page on the wiki (http://bikingpgh.com/index.php?title=Dangerous_Drivers) and grabbed all the info I could from this thread back when I set it up. It’s easier to search there.
But there’s nothing about DAX 8709 there.


alanowski

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Apr 11 2014 at 1:14pm #

04/11 around 7:25am

Heading up Forbes through Frick Park from Regent Square to Squirrel Hill. Driver passed me then sat completely in the bike lane the rest of the way up the road. He(?) was very close behind the 61a bus heading up there, so there was no way he could have seen if the bike lane was clear.

No idea what his deal was, the road was fairly quiet, and he didn’t turn right on S. Dallas.

Silver SUV, looked like an Acura but hard to tell from a distance, he only started acting like this after he passed me (which is likely why I’m writing at work rather than from beyond the grave).


devohelmetguy

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Apr 19 2014 at 2:33pm #

2:45pm 19 Apr 14 corner of Ellsworth and Morewood
Black Audi PA plate GTX 2013

I was stopped at the left side of the west bound Ellsworth lane waiting for a green light to turn left on to Morewood. I heard an car running high rpm and turned round to see a speeding car coming towards me. I think he indented to buzz me at speed but then saw the red light. He chose to skid to a halt rather than blow the light and kill a father, son and dog crossing on green. Ended up stopped about a foot to the right of me staring right at me. His only response to my polite WTF was to spit on himself and then race off again well over the speed limit.

Unfortunately the shutter went off just before he spat on himself.

Note the dejected look of disapproval on the dog’s face. He lives near that corner and has seen too many self important arseholes using Ellsworth to avoid Fifth Ave.


Ahlir

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Apr 19 2014 at 3:56pm #

Jowls: probably well into his 60s (or, a smoker?)
Age-inappropriate short-short gym shorts. But a nice shirt.
Door locked, but window down.

A big bag of probably-not-so-good-for-you goodies from Panera. Or just a thrifty recycler? Late for a very late lunch? Maybe.

Google “Audi GTX 2013″:

vroom


StuInMcCandless

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Apr 20 2014 at 10:16am #

I’m going to venture that that is not a vanity plate, that he just got luck of the draw. Pretty slick set of wheels alongside that plane, though.

I fear the day that someone’s going to post one of these photos and I actually recognize the driver. This town isn’t that big, and as I posted here once, I ended up working alongside someone I previously had a face-to-face with one time.


ShooFlyPie

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Apr 20 2014 at 2:38pm #

God forbid, I don’t want to be in my 50s feeling the need speeding around in my big bad Audi endangering other’s welfare to make up for my dick not working.


Vannevar

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Apr 20 2014 at 7:30pm #

ShooFlyPie wrote:God forbid, I don’t want to be in my 50s feeling the need speeding around in my big bad Audi endangering other’s welfare to make up for my dick not working.

that is so funny. at a place I used to work, a 53-year-old showed up in a BMW two-seater very pleased with his new ride. His first interaction with his new toy in the parking lot was when the other guy said to him, “Sorry to hear your dick’s not working any more”. Absolutely priceless.


czarofpittsburgh

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Jun 2 2014 at 9:59am #

I don’t know if it’s the warm weather or what, but I’ve been buzzed a bunch of times recently–way more often than usual.

White Honda, PA plates. DST-2975. Beechwood Blvd.

Silver car, PA plates. HFS-1367. Greenfield Ave.

Silver van. PA plates. EZS-9977. Beechwood Blvd.


salty

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Jun 2 2014 at 9:40pm #

I witnessed a car nearly hitting a pedestrian at Beechwood & 5th the other day. I was on Beechwood in the right lane, our asswipe is in the left lane, turning left. As soon as the light turns green, I hear the engine rev, then almost immediately screeching tires as the car comes to an abrupt halt. Oops – there’s a pedestrian crossing 5th.

Seriously, how hard do you have to “gun it” to get up to tire screeching speed in a few tens of feet? Pedestrian says something about the “walk” sign, driver says something probably idiotic before speeding off in the same manner. Nice to see you learned your lesson, jackass.

Of course, if they had actually hit the pedestrian you would have heard the same tired old “didn’t even see them” bullshit – zero consequences for the driver, and everyone blames the pedestrian or at least casts some aspersions their way.


helen s

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Jun 4 2014 at 7:27am #

I was buzzed too closely by a UPS truck on Camp Horn (sometimes spelled Horne) Rd yesterday. When I caught up when he stopped for a delivery I told him I expected better from a professional driver. When told about the 4 foot law, he said he did not believe me that it existed. He also said I should feel good because he did not hit me.
It was a fairly cordial exchange- hopefully gave him something to think about and look into.


Marko82

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Jun 4 2014 at 8:34am #

I was being stubborn yesterday (I know, shocking). I was at the intersection near the end of the jail trail. A friend and I were in the travel lane waiting to make a left turn onto 2nd ave (I hate using the chute). It was 5:30pm and the traffic was heavy so we had been waiting there for a while. One of the UPMC shuttle vans approached from our right and waited for a break in the traffic to make a left turn to go into the lot. When a break occurred the van driver started to turn immediately, without letting us make our turn first. It would have been nice for her to let us out first, but she didn’t. As she started the turn she realized that we were too far forward for her to complete the turn without the van hitting us, so she emphatically motioned for us to move. I would not! She sat there blocking two lanes of traffic for a while getting very angry that I wouldn’t move for her. She kept inching forward and I held my ground. She eventually passed with the van’s rear wheel missing my front wheel by about 3 inches. Boy do I wish I had a helmet cam. I know I was being a dick, but there was plenty of opportunity for her to let us make our turn in front of her which would have opened up the street to let her make her turn, but she didn’t. She caused the conflict not us – Fu*k you!


jonawebb

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Jun 4 2014 at 8:42am #

Commercial drivers are uniquely vulnerable to complaints about their driving. All the information you need is right there on the truck, bus, or van. Just call up their employer and complain.


Max G

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Jun 4 2014 at 10:02am #

Yesterday while going north on S Negley between Ellsworth and Centre, only a few yards past Ellsworth, a silver Nissan Altima with plate FDR-1233, behind me, laid on the horn and then revved the engine, accelerating past me aggressively and within only a few inches of me (I was all the way over on the right). There were cars coming the opposite direction and he didn’t have the space to pass, but that didn’t stop him from going out of his way to try to kill me.


jonawebb

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Jun 4 2014 at 10:40am #

I updated the Dangerous Drivers thread on the Wiki. You might consider filing a police report, or at least calling 911. Might make a difference to someone if the asshole eventually injures or kills someone.


StuInMcCandless

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Jun 4 2014 at 2:45pm #

I’ve started a hobby of trying to memorize the PA Vehicle Code. The four-foot rule is
§ 3303. Overtaking vehicle on the left.
(a) General rule.–The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to the limitations, exceptions and special rules stated in this chapter:
(3) The driver of a motor vehicle overtaking a pedalcycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left of the pedalcycle within not less than four feet at a careful and prudent reduced speed.

More reason why I think a 25-question written exam is needed for each Class C renewal, focusing on changes in the law. At the very least, a website with a mock exam should be linked from the PennDOT website. And for those who don’t have (easy) web access, a paper copy of all exam questions, and an answer key, to be mailed to any state resident upon request, free of charge.


andyc

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Jun 4 2014 at 4:57pm #

The 4 foot law may give a prosecutor a specific law to use but it’s irrelevant to educating most of the drivers indicated in this thread. The kind of driver that buzzes you on purpose isn’t going to follow the traffic code. I would also argue that the behavior falls under both assault and reckless driving and doesn’t need it’s own law.


Mick

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Jun 4 2014 at 8:58pm #

I got buzzed yesterday twice on the way to work. Both times seemed like deliberate harassment to me.

I got a license plate for Silver Jeep SUV, PA JJA-8319. I couldn’t find anything on this plate with google, but maybe this thread will change that.

I was going down 5th Ave from Oakland to the bridge, when this guy passed within maybe a foot of me, going at a rate considerably over the 35 mph speed limit. Typical of his ilk.


salty

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Jun 5 2014 at 1:10am #

Isn’t the limit 25 there Mick? I didn’t think it ever went back to 35 after neville or craig or wherever it switches.


Mick

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Jun 5 2014 at 1:48am #

@ Salty, I should check that next time I go down the street.

Not that it matters, much. This guy – and most other drivers on the hill there – go considerably faster than either speed, with no threat of law enforcement.


salty

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Jun 5 2014 at 1:53am #

True, they might as well not even bother putting the signs up.

I heard there was some kind of “enforcement blitz” on Beechwood the other week, I wonder how many tickets they wrote and how many days they stuck with it. I’ll set the over/under at 1 for both.


Callahan

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Jun 5 2014 at 7:28am #

A manchild almost knocked me to the ground with some kind of monster truck monstrosity on this lovely morning. Super cool. This was in Millvale, of course, on North Avenue.

Plate # JMT 9142 or JMT 9124


Marko82

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Jun 13 2014 at 5:29pm #

Friday the 13th with a full moon…

I had more bad driver interactions today than I think I’ve had for the whole month. The best was when a driver passed me as I was stopped at a stop sign on a side street waiting for a break in traffic to turn left (which did not have a stop sign) . Brilliant!


atown

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Jun 18 2014 at 6:57pm #

This doesn’t involve a dangerous driver, but I didn’t think it warranted a new thread.

I had an angry confrontation today with a couple walking their dog leashless in Frick Park. I feel kind of bad about it, but it all happened in the heat of the moment.

I was just casually riding the main walking trails and not doing crazy mountain biking and coming out of nowhere from the woods. Like most people walking their dogs, there was a leashless one up ahead of me, urinating to the side of the path. I moved over the other side, and gave the animal plenty of room between us. I guess I surprised him because as I passed, he jumped right in front of my bike and I had to slam the brakes and take a spill. I was going pretty slow, luckily (probably no faster than a decent runner) so neither I nor the dog was hurt.

What pissed me off was the owner was about 20 feet ahead and not even paying attention to the dog. After I got back up and passed him, I say to him, “It must be nice being above the leash rules.” The guy goes ballistic and tells me to stop my bike so he can kick my ass. Thankfully there were other witnesses around (though they were walking their dogs leashless too, so maybe they wouldn’t have been fair if this altercation ever had to be recounted on record).

So I stop my bike, because I’m pretty confident that he wasn’t going to physically hit me with other people around. I was totally willing to talk it out. He rushes up to me and when he gets to my face, he makes a move like he is going to strike me to make me flinch or maybe try to get me to hit first. Again, I was feeling pretty confident in what he would or wouldn’t do, so I didn’t move and just stared him down.

We exchanged some angry words with each other, and then I told him if he kept threatening me, I’m calling the police. And so on and so on, I got out of there pretty quick because I didn’t want to risk him seeing me on his drive home and taking revenge.

So, what are everyone’s thoughts? I know there are rules against walking dogs leashless, but the reality of the matter is most people ignore it. As a cyclist, I tolerate them and just try to get past them without any incident. This time was just a bad situation that got even worse.

Anyways, rant over. I guess a high number of leashless dogs is just a reality that I have to accept.


mattjackets

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Jun 19 2014 at 8:45am #

Some dogs off leash are very well trained, and ignore pretty much everyone on the path. Other dogs who are off leash will run full force off the sidewalk into traffic to “get” the bike. Bad owner, bad!

Also, did UPMC change their employee shuttle route lately? I see one every day on Neville between Joncaire and Fifth. The first encounter was an aggressive pass (gave me four feet though) around a blind turn, forcing oncoming traffic to slam on the brakes. This morning, the driver actually understood my out stretched palm “stop sign” and avoided another head-on thread at the same curve. I even got a friendly toot of the horn and wave. I think he may be more careful for a while at least.


paulheckbert

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Jun 19 2014 at 9:35am #

@atown, I think leash laws will never be fully enforced, same as most speed limits. Perhaps you could have nudged some contrition out of the owner by opening with “Your dog made me crash. Maybe you should keep him on a leash?” But this belligerent dog owner’s behavior is inexcusable. Public parks are for everyone, not just this jerk and his dog. As you pedaled away, a good rejoinder would have been “Hey dog! Next time you go out, put a leash on that lunkhead!”


Pierce

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Jun 19 2014 at 11:41am #

I’d recommend treating dogs like blind, unpredictable pedestrians and go pretty slow around them. Leashed dogs would be nice. It’s kind of a shared space though and its not quite a thoroughfare


buffalo buffalo

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Jun 19 2014 at 12:14pm #

> Leashed dogs would be nice. It’s kind of a shared space though and its not quite a thoroughfare

It sure would be nice. It’s also the law.

§ 473.05 (b) …Dogs are not permitted in parks, except when held on leash and under the control of the owner or other person having the dog in charge.… No dog or other domestic animal shall be permitted to be at large, except in areas specifically designated by the Director as Off Leash Exercise Areas (See City Code at 633.22), and any owner or person in charge of the animal shall be responsible for the control thereof.

In fact, it’s law multiple times over:

§ 633.08 … No person, whether as owner or person in possession, shall permit his or her dog to run at large…. A dog shall be restrained by the use of a leash, or a chain not exceeding six (6) feet in length, at all times when upon public places, streets and parks [except at an OLEA under 633.22].


atown

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Jun 19 2014 at 12:49pm #

A very rarely enforced law.


rgrasmus

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Jun 19 2014 at 1:01pm #

Relevant PG editorial from the other day http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2014/06/17/Leniency-lives/stories/201406170053


jonawebb

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Jun 19 2014 at 1:07pm #

Dog owners put us to shame when it comes to disobeying the law. When animal control tries to enforce the leash law, they send the word out to each other.
Next time, call Edgar: http://www.edgarsnyder.com/dog-bite/


J Z

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Jun 19 2014 at 3:30pm #

@atown Frick is really bad. I don’t mind and can co-exist with those dogs off leash that are under verbal control, like mattjackets noted. That said, I’ve also seen some bad owners who let their dog menace kids in Frick, then blamed the kid. I thought it was a $300 fine, or something.


rsprake

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Jun 24 2014 at 7:57am #

Riding in the bike lane on Liberty outbound just before the Bloomfield bridge I hear a *honk* and an engine rev, as I move into the green section of the lane he pulls on to the entrance ramp screaming obscenities and generally ranting and raving towards me. I shrugged and gave him a confused look like, are you talking to me? He sped off on to the bridge. To be perfectly clear, traffic was backed up in the travel lane and I was riding in the bike lane.

This is a similar situation to the last incident I had here where the driver was so pissed that he floored it on to the ramp and ran his car into the jersey barrier.


paulheckbert

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Jun 25 2014 at 11:47am #

Relevant to dangerous drivers:

PITTSBURGH, PA (June 11, 2014) – Mayor William Peduto and acting Public Safety Director Stephen A. Bucar today announced the upcoming public phases of the city’s search for a new Pittsburgh Police chief, including six public meetings and a site for online remarks.
…“This is going to be a public outreach directly to the people of Pittsburgh asking them what they want in a police chief,” Mayor Peduto said.
…Throughout the summer, Public Safety Councils in all six of Pittsburgh’s policing zones will hold forums to provide residents with the opportunity to be involved in the process of selecting a chief. A full list of meetings is below. During these community forums, residents in each zone will have the opportunity to share their ideas about how to improve policing in Pittsburgh, identify their priorities, and suggest the qualities they believe are essential in the new chief.
…Mindmixer is a site for encouraging and collecting community input on civic issues. Those interested in the search for a police chief may log on to http://pittsburghpa.mindmixer.com/ and answer three general questions:
- What priorities does your community need the new Chief of Police to address?
- What qualities and skills does your community need the new Chief of Police to have?
- What can you and others in your community do to help realize the vision of policing in partnership with the community?

more info:

http://pittsburghpa.gov/mayor/release?id=3168


buffalo buffalo

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Jun 25 2014 at 11:51am #

Note also that the first of said public meetings is tomorrow, 6/26 at 6pm, at the Teamster Temple in Lawrenceville (on Butler St near the cemetery).


ShooFlyPie

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Jul 6 2014 at 1:04pm #

Two major pain incidents within the last two weeks on Forbes avenue coming back from Oakland. Both times I am LEGALLY in the sharrow lane staying away from the door zone while keep the SAME SPEED as traffic.

The first time a old geezer jumps in the other lane with traffic coming in that lane. I am going the same speed as the car ahead of me. He then jumps back into my lane honking at me for cycling 100% legal almost hitting me. Then at the red light of Forbes and Wightman he whips me off and tells me I shouldn’t be in the lane. I told him if he didn’t understand PA’s driving laws and what a sharrowed lane is for then he shouldn’t be driving. Also the man was probably 75+. This man endangered my life with little regard that he could have carelessly jumped back into the lane I was legally in hitting me causing a three year old to grow up without a father. This 2 extra seconds must be important in the last years of his life. At this age this man should not be handling an automobile having to make quick decisions that he obviously is unable to handle. What really ticked me off is him insulting me and telling me I had no right to be cycling legally as the law requires. I have a picture of his licence plate. It was a Silver Chrysler Sebring; GFY-4888. This guy is very ignorant about the law, will put people’s life in danger, has no regard for other people, and should not have a license.

Then the same thing happened today again. Same location; Forbes avenue, Squirrel Hill, Eastbound out of Oakland where it goes downhill to Wightman. This time a grayhair, obese fat angry man honking in his SUV, fists waiving out the window, cursing me out for now speeding down in a door zone and cycling in a sharrow lane. He then got violent and tried to run me off the road almost hitting me. I am still majorly pissed over this guy. This guy unlike the first one was high on major masculinity issues. He was raging and ranting and honking at everything in his way. Has to be angry about something. This type of stuff makes me want to leave yinzer land and hit the west.


atown

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Jul 7 2014 at 7:54am #

ShooFlyPie, I pass through that area daily and I eventually altered my route to take Darlington to bypass those couple intersections. You can access it very easily from the Schenley Drive golf course. It lets you get to Wightman/Murray very quickly with minimal interaction with cars.


dfiler

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Jul 7 2014 at 3:26pm #

Keep in mind that biking in Frick is technically prohibited by a city ordinance. Or at least it was quite recently. I know that getting that unenforced ordinance changed was a priority for years among bike advocacy groups. I don’t know if it was ever changed.

I ride in Frick all the time and try to be extra slow and courteous around other trail users on the wide crushed limestone trails. While it might be their fault for not leashing their dog or running unpredictably while using headphones, avoiding confrontation is still best. In other parts of the country, park user conflicts have gotten so adversarial that bikes have been banned from some parks and trails or trail systems.

My best encounter recently was a dog walker who screamed at me that my bike bell didn’t mean she was going to jump out of my way. I had to calmly explain to her that ringing the bell from afar was to prevent startling her or her dog, and that I always pass slowly and with courtesy. She wasn’t buying it that day but when not in the heat of the moment, she probably felt guilty.


Steven

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Jul 7 2014 at 3:59pm #

See this old thread. The city updated their park rules, which currently say

Ride bicycles on a paved vehicular road, or path designated for that purpose. A bicyclist is permitted to wheel or push a bicycle by hand over any grassy area or wooded trail or on any paved area reserved for pedestrian use.


dfiler

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Jul 7 2014 at 5:06pm #

Thanks for the update. That’s good news.

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