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jonawebb

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Sep 26 2013 at 7:15pm #

@czar, just be glad you weren’t there when the guy gets his comeuppance. Driving like that, it’s not far off.
@rr, you could have backed down when he made it clear he was going to be an asshole. Being in front of a driver that’s acting like can be dangerous. OTOH, it’s not bad to stand up for yourself — and in a situation like that, with an asshole behind me, I’d just take the lane. The whole time–so he’s not pulling up beside me at the light, he’s behind. If he leans on the horn, you know he sees you. Sometimes passive aggression is not only gratifying, it’s also the safest way to go.


ShooFlyPie

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Sep 30 2013 at 9:54pm #

I was biking the Beechwood bike lane in Squirrel Hill coming from Greenfield going to Shadyside. I met up with a pickup at the intersection at Beacon. I stopped completely (as I always do at the sign) and waited my turn and started heading up Beechwood parallel with him. When I came up to Beechwood I was approaching a red light. However, at the time of riding to the light I noticed the light for Forbes turned red while approaching the intersection. I looked both ways and did not stop peddling as when I started to go through the line of the intersection it turned green for me. I always stop at red lights and will only treat stop signs as yields in residential neighborhoods. However, I realized I would keep my momentum in this instance as the light for me was turning green in 2 seconds.

I ride parallel with this truck down to the Wilkins ave intersection where the light is red. I stopped next to him. I am just minding my own business waiting for the light to turn back to green. He winds down his window and starts yelling at me for “running the green light” at Forbes. I responded by telling him that the light was red for both ways and by the time I entered the intersection it was green. I then proceeded to tell him that I didn’t need his opinion. Then he and his wife were going on how bikers are a problem with this city, and I shouldn’t be on the road. This of course sends my arrogant mouthy personality off as I take urban biking rights serious. I insult his obvious weight issue. He gets out of his truck and tells me “Get off the Bike.” I calmly said, “Dude, you are like massively overweight and you really don’t want to mess with a guy who runs and bikes everyday.” while positioning my bike chain with lock on the end off my bag. I then go on more about being a fat ass who needed a large pick up truck to compensate for something. Ok, I looking back on it and realize I need to calm my mouth, but in certain instances I just let it go when I get really ticked.

However, the light turned green and cars behind him are honking as he realizes he has to waddle back to his truck as he is blocking traffic by trying to act tough. This is when it gets bad. The guy gets back into his truck while I am back to peddling down Beechwood, speeds up and comes near me at a high rate of speed trying to intimidate me and force me out of the bike lane, and then gets in front of me in the bike lane and slams on his brakes forcing me to slam on my breaks and skidding. I bet his old larger wife in the passenger seat was really exited by how tough her husband was by using his truck as means of intimidation.

Maybe making fun of his weight issues and need for compensation for a large Chevy truck made him mad. Maybe it wasn’t right on my end. Even if I did fully run through a red light with no regard to traffic laws (which I didn’t) nobody deserves to a close encounter of being severely hurt by a large pick up at a high rate of speed or having to almost ride into it. What I find really ironic is he is falsely accusing me of not obeying laws (at worst a small ticket) and then decides to try to attempt using his truck as a weapon (could be felony) in response. If you see a green Silverado with a large man with grey hair in the mirror, make sure you keep a good eye out. He is real tough behind that thing.


byogman

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Sep 30 2013 at 10:51pm #

First off, thanks for the report, we need this. We need video too, get some of these buggers off the road. Shameless plug: http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/anyone-with-a-smartphone-and-wire-hanger-can-record-their-rides

Will say one thing though, It’s poor form to break into insults if someone just says something that annoys you. Stay on point, don’t escalate, or if you’re too annoyed or weary, disengage.

Now clearly, anyone try to use 2 1/2 tons of steel is it as a weapon in response to a verbal slight is clearly not deserving of the privilege to drive. Just saying, there’s no need to push buttons on ignoramuses to see if they’re also hotheads and plenty of good practical reasons not to when in traffic.


Mick

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Oct 22 2013 at 10:19am #

I go buzzed in a right hook at 5th and Robinsons by vanity PA license “Miss Jay.” Apparently she can’t wait (leterally) 2 seconds to make a safe turn.

Nice to have a memorable plate!


pinky

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Oct 22 2013 at 11:52am #

Mick, I swear I’ve had problems with Miss Jay before when driving. Was it a black car – fancy like a BMW or something?


Mick

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Oct 22 2013 at 12:05pm #

Pinky

I think it was japanese car red/pink or other pastel color.

The way the person was driving, it struck me as likely there would be other problems wtih them, though.


alanowski

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Oct 23 2013 at 8:52am #

I was buzzed very close last night after coming up through the golf course at Schenley. I had just come up from the stop sign joining Forbes and was close to cresting the top of the hill there next to some parked cars. The 61a was coming the other direction so I moved over some to make sure that no one could try and squeeze past.

This guy still tried though and if I hadn’t made a quick dive in to the right after the parked car I think he may have hit me.

Green/turquoise BMW 3 Series, new looking, I didn’t get the plate. Him: 6ft (ish) dark hair, pretty big build.

So I followed him up Forbes where he parked near Little’s Shoes so I stopped and calmly pointed out that he nearly killed me. He quickly turned (remained?) aggressive and told me that if I wanted to be on the road then I should follow the same rules as cars.

I told him that I was doing just that when he broke the law.

he continued to tell me that I should leave since he “didn’t want to go to jail today” and after me attempting to get him to realize that since he got where he was going at the same time I did, he could have done it without endangering a life, all I got was “I don’t want to waste my breath on you, walk away”

So I did, I moved up traffic filtering along between the parked and stopped cars. He shouted something after me, so I got off the bike and walked back down on the sidewalk to find out what his deal was.

I started telling him “I’m not starting anything here, I’m trying to make it home safely and would like some space”, I was met with “walk away, stop getting all up in my face” (I wasn’t even near him) “You’re lucky my kids are here”.

A man that needs his children to be around to stop him from violence? I gave up, and walked away – no good can come from talking to someone like that who is incapable of having a reasonable conversation.

Wish my camera was charged, wish I got his plate, wish this sort of thing was less common. Ride safe.


jonawebb

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Oct 23 2013 at 9:14am #

I stopped taking the lane through Forest Hills while I await the outcome of my appeal next week. But I may reconsider. Two close passes yesterday.

License JBA-1777

License HTT-9354
BTW, the truck has $169.65 in outstanding parking tickets:
4862972 JBA1777 11/01/12 85.00 2.95 87.95
4891196 JBA1777 11/13/12 78.75 2.95 81.70


andyc

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Oct 23 2013 at 10:08am #

A lot of times I just wonder what happened to people that made them become so miserable. It’s really no way to live.

Unrelated to being miserable but related to unsafe drivers, I had a front row seat to a car/car collision at 5th and Shady while waiting at the light. The sound of two cars hitting one another is entirely unnatural and unpleasant. It managed to shake me up a bit thinking about how exposed I am on two wheels.

I’m finding that the more I ride my bike, the easier I take it when driving.


salty

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Oct 23 2013 at 5:23pm #

andyc – was that Monday night? I saw the aftermath, although I was on my scooter instead of my bicycle. IIRC some SUV was all jacked up and up on the sidewalk in front of the apartment building.

That was immediately after I nearly got left hooked by someone turning left on Walnut – luckily they stopped and I didn’t have to complete my panic braking exercise. The front light on my scooter is larger and brighter than pretty much any bicycle light.

This morning on Wilkins someone in a volvo SUV did a similar thing to me as what alanowski described, although they realized they weren’t going to make it and hit the brakes. We ended up side by side at the light at Wilkins & Shady, but I held my tongue for once and didn’t even look in that direction. I also ended up right behind them at Beechwood & 5th, despite the fact they were easily doing 40 down the hill… but stupidity persists.


andyc

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Oct 24 2013 at 7:51am #

Yes. Monday night – SUV vs car.


Ahlir

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Oct 25 2013 at 9:09pm #

I’m finding that the more I ride my bike, the easier I take it when driving.

So true. My car driving keeps getting closer and closer to my bicycle riding.

I think it would be useful if motorists convicted of one or another traffic infraction were sentenced to riding a bike for the next n months. I can’t think of a better way to refocus one’s driving habits.


jonawebb

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Oct 26 2013 at 7:25am #

Ah, imagine being forced to ride a bike. How awesome would that be?
Met a German woman the other night–she told me that there, when a motorist hits a cyclist, the motorist is in deep shit.


Ben

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Oct 28 2013 at 4:15pm #

Silver Susuki Sx4 w/ PA license plate HRS-6180

Insane driver! This happened in the Northside along West Ohio Street through Allegheny Commons Park – there’s a bike lane here which I was in as I approached the intersection of West Ohio and Brighton Road. I always check behind my left shoulder when approaching the light b/c you have to merge from the bike lane to the vehicle lane to take the lane for the light (otherwise you’ll get right hooked at the light). Anyway, as I checked behind me, I saw this idiot weave into the bike lane so I dodged to my right so they wouldn’t hit me. As they passed by (I could see it was either a very feminine looking man, or a very homely looking woman), he/she/it had a shit eating grin on their face almost like they thought it was funny.

I come across aggressive drivers all the time in the Northside, but this was the first time I felt compelled to memorize the plate, make, and model of the vehicle. Please watch out for this maniac.

-Ben


buffalo buffalo

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Oct 28 2013 at 11:48pm #

Seen on twitter, backed by several reports on facebook*:

“Beware a charcoal Mini Cooper convertible driven by a balding white middle aged driver with curly hair. Pattern of threats towards cyclists.”

* several of those reporting incidents are also members of the board, but i’ll let them name themselves or make other contributions if they want to.


cburch

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Oct 29 2013 at 7:23am #

Ben, please consider filling a report for harassment and menacing.


andyc

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Oct 29 2013 at 7:48am #

I would also file a police report. There’s nothing they can do now but say another person gets them on camera – there’s then a documented pattern of behavior.


bk7j

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Oct 29 2013 at 9:38am #

I was directed to this thread for describing dangerous drivers.

Last month in Squirrel Hill, along Phillips between Wightman and Murray, I was biking on my usual route home. I was riding in the middle of the lane, just out of the door zone, at about ~15mph. An orange-red Cobalt LS, license GFB 2553 honked and accelerated hard past me extremely closely, with plenty of space to his left.

Half a block later, he pulled into a parking space at some food place, so I pulled up behind him and an overweight, balding white guy with hair pulled back in a ponytail got out. I held up four fingers, and said “4 feet please” rather forcefully. He launched into an explanation of how that rule didn’t apply if I wasn’t riding on the far right of the road where I was supposed to be, so it was really my fault and that -I- needed to be more careful and to obey the law. Let’s just say the interaction went poorly.

I got pictures of the car and plate, and have seen him in the same spot multiple times a week, around 5:30p-6:00p on weekdays. AFAIK dude still thinks it’s his legal right to run bikes off the road.


mjacobPGH

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Oct 29 2013 at 9:55am #

bk7j wrote:I was directed to this thread for describing dangerous drivers.

Last month in Squirrel Hill, along Phillips between Wightman and Murray, I was biking on my usual route home. I was riding in the middle of the lane, just out of the door zone, at about ~15mph. An orange-red Cobalt LS, license GFB 2553 honked and accelerated hard past me extremely closely, with plenty of space to his left.

Half a block later, he pulled into a parking space at some food place, so I pulled up behind him and an overweight, balding white guy with hair pulled back in a ponytail got out. I held up four fingers, and said “4 feet please” rather forcefully. He launched into an explanation of how that rule didn’t apply if I wasn’t riding on the far right of the road where I was supposed to be, so it was really my fault and that -I- needed to be more careful and to obey the law. Let’s just say the interaction went poorly.

I got pictures of the car and plate, and have seen him in the same spot multiple times a week, around 5:30p-6:00p on weekdays. AFAIK dude still thinks it’s his legal right to run bikes off the road.

It’s disturbing that I am frequently seeing a trend where drivers are AWARE of the 4 Ft Law but then choose when to adhere to it. I’ve posted about a interaction I had months ago where a driver shouted at me that I had to “get over” even though he passed me WITHIN THE LANE I was travelling in on a four-lane road. At least drivers are aware of the law even if they aren’t aware of how it should actually be followed.


reddan

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Oct 29 2013 at 10:15am #

It’s disturbing that I am frequently seeing a trend where drivers are AWARE of the 4 Ft Law but then choose when to adhere to it.

I don’t think this is a new trend, or at least not specific to the 4 foot law. Of the casual traffic law violations we see on a daily basis (pedestrians, cyclists, and motorists included), how many do you believe are due to honest ignorance? I’d say that the vast majority of road users are perfectly aware of the laws they’re breaking.


jonawebb

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Oct 29 2013 at 10:23am #

@mk71, why not file a police report? You have all the info you need.


mjacobPGH

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Oct 29 2013 at 10:33am #

@reddan, Oh, I totally agree. I have had these conversations with people many times. Drivers(and bikers at times) generally break laws because they think they are doing so within reason. For instance, 2 Ft rather than 4 is viewed as acceptable. 35 MPH instead of 25 MPH is viewed as acceptable. A rolling stop is viewed as acceptable. No turn signal… ok we get it. I just think it is amazing that people acknowledge the 4 Ft Passing Law, which is relatively new, and yet claim that there are exceptions to the rule.


bk7j

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Oct 29 2013 at 10:52am #

jonawebb wrote:@mk71, why not file a police report? You have all the info you need.

Assuming that was to me, I did.


Steven

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Oct 29 2013 at 11:37pm #

There are plenty of billboards and such telling people there’s a 4 foot law, but not so many sources with the specific details. So people invent their own details, and figure the law *must* agree, since it’s so logical (to them).


rsprake

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Oct 30 2013 at 3:52pm #

I think they know better and just think you’re stupid because you ride a bike. Smart people drive cars. Duh.


ajbooth

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Nov 3 2013 at 12:10pm #

Silver 4 Door Jeep, PA Plate GWF-3985

Buzzed me on West Liberty Avenue in the city. No prior conflict, words, or anything. Just felt like being a douche, I suppose. Watch the video, the driver did not even need to switch lanes, just did so to be an ass. I did not call 9-1-1 because I did not have time, I had things to do on Friday and could not sit and wait for a city police officer. I sent the video, but they said they could not do anything because I did not call right when it happened.


byogman

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Nov 3 2013 at 8:04pm #

Since the nature of the evidence is video, and you’re the only one to corroborate anyway, what the hell difference does it make whether you did it right then and there or later in the same day?

It’s not like other crimes, quite without video evidence, can’t be reported after the fact. Lame, lame stinking excuse.


ajbooth

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Nov 4 2013 at 8:00am #

I hear you Ben…especially since Mt Lebanon was willing to prosecute based on “information received.”

I copied Stephen Patchan on my exchange with the Pittsburgh Police, and intend to follow up with him today.


jonawebb

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Nov 4 2013 at 8:49am #

Will they do anything without any information on who the driver was? I wasn’t able to get the Monroeville cops to do anything more than promise to call the owner. But they said they wouldn’t send a ticket without an id of the driver.


byogman

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Nov 4 2013 at 9:25am #

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if a stationary radar detector records your speed and snaps your license plate, the ticket is sent in the mail to the person who registered the vehicle. Likewise for toll violators at unmanned stations whose license plates get snapped.

It’s just the right default assumption. If it’s wrong, someone can contest in court. Anyways, I don’t see why it shouldn’t work that way if a few decision makers decide that the 4 foot law actually ought to be enforced on par with other traffic violations (admittedly, quite a low bar there, but still, would represent a big improvement).


pinky

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Nov 4 2013 at 12:33pm #

I never called 911 when I went after the guy harassing me. I just collected evidence and showed up to file a police report.

That line smells bogus to me.


rsprake

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Nov 4 2013 at 1:20pm #

Funny how they can ticket a car when it’s parked in the wrong place despite the driver not being there.


FaunaViolet

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Nov 5 2013 at 10:17am #

Yesterday, Penn @ Main. Red Chevy Blazer Lic. Plate Number JBA 7450
Police report filed.

Passed me way to close and attempted to spit out his passenger side window at me. I don’t know where that one landed but he got me when we were at the next light right in the leg before making an illegal right on red and almost causing an accident.

White male, late 20′s early 30′s. Trashy lookin’. Lighter hair and a scummy goatee. Skinny guy.

Be careful. People are not only dangerous but ape-shit crazy.


RustyRed

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Nov 5 2013 at 10:22am #

FaunaViolet wrote:Yesterday, Penn @ Main. Red Chevy Blazer Lic. Plate Number JBA 7450
Police report filed.

Passed me way to close and attempted to spit out his passenger side window at me. I don’t know where that one landed but he got me when we were at the next light right in the leg before making an illegal right on red and almost causing an accident.

White male, late 20?s early 30?s. Trashy lookin’. Lighter hair and a scummy goatee. Skinny guy.

Be careful. People are not only dangerous but ape-shit crazy.

Holy crap. I’m speechless.

Please let us know the outcome?


byogman

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Nov 10 2013 at 5:46pm #

Be on the lookout for this moron:

Deliberately passed very close and cut us off causing my friend to hit his rear bumper. Standard rant you cyclists think you own the road… meanwhile we were climbing pretty close to the curb, pretty quickly, and riding in a totally law abiding and motorist friendly manner.

Called 911 but wasn’t going to wait since there was no damage or injury.


stefb

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Nov 10 2013 at 10:13pm #

Super aggressive and was driving erratically on the 16th st bridge. Weaved between the two travel lanes toward liberty a few weeks ago. Took off doing at least 60 again on liberty. Remembered to post this now.


StuInMcCandless

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Nov 11 2013 at 7:33am #

Note the busted window on the Mustang.


byogman

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Nov 11 2013 at 9:11am #

I can’t know what preceded the busted rear window and whether he richly deserved it before being aggressive toward us, but I won’t disown a little schadenfreude here. In no small part because that’s a problem you CAN’T have on a bicycle :)


jonawebb

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Nov 11 2013 at 9:55am #

stefb wrote:Super aggressive and was driving erratically on the 16th st bridge.

Also a scofflaw, parking ticket outstanding for 2 months now:
6119303 HZV7757 09/22/13 158.00 2.95 160.95


ajbooth

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Nov 11 2013 at 10:46am #

jonawebb wrote:Also a scofflaw, parking ticket outstanding for 2 months now:
6119303 HZV7757 09/22/13 158.00 2.95 160.95

Where are you getting this info? I’d love to pull this up on some of my buzz-bys.

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