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steevo

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Mar 11 2013 at 5:17pm #

SO… I have been seeing people commenting on Hines’ facebook page. He is riding a ton to try to qualify for Kona Ironman…

What are the chances of him doing a PSA or something for Pittsburgh? Could you imagine if he did a commercial or something just telling drivers to look out, because that guy on the road might be him?!

Scott? Erok?


KBrooks

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Mar 11 2013 at 5:30pm #

That idea has already been floated with other Steelers… but Hines would be perfect!


Pseudacris

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Mar 11 2013 at 6:02pm #

I love the idea & am also wondering if the sports franchises in town would be possible corporate sponsors of the new bike share program. the color of the bikes could probably be changed up :-)


mr marvelous

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Mar 11 2013 at 7:14pm #

This has been tried before by the Steelers and no one cared


edmonds59

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Mar 12 2013 at 6:37am #

I cared :( I loved that piece.
It wasn’t actually the Stillers pushing that was it? I thought it was something someone else put together and it just happened to feature a Steeler.
I don’t really give a rat’s about the Stillers, they just keep a few A’holes off the roads for a few hours on certain Sundays. I would not however feel any remorse whatsoever manipulating peoples “sensibilities” to my own ends.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:03am #

He doesn’t have to qualify, he was given a spot. Screw Hines Ward and screw the WTC. These celebrity spots are bullshit.

How can you claim that something like this helps to legitimize the sport? No one from the NFL is inviting an MLB team to play in the Super Bowl, no one is saying “Oh hey, you’re kinda popular, want to compete in the Olympics?” So why would you give someone, who admittedly isnt a good swimmer or cyclist, an entry into the Ironman WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP?! He should have to qualify just like everyone else.

I’m not usually this spiteful but I really hopes he DNF’s.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:09am #

@boostuv: Um, its called “marketing”…

Invite the celebrity, and maybe people familiar with him or his sport or former team will watch your event. And maybe, just maybe they’ll become fans of the sport your event represents. And maybe they’ll watch it again next time without that celebrity. Maybe they’ll even be inspired to try it themselves.

It’s not about “competition.” It’s about making it interesting to people so they’ll watch it on TV. Specifically, making it interesting to people who would not have watched it otherwise.


edmonds59

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:12am #

He was a pretty fair dancer though, and I’m pretty sure he was doing that Russian woman, so win for everybody, there.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:41am #

AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe wrote:@boostuv: Um, its called “marketing”…

Invite the celebrity, and maybe people familiar with him or his sport or former team will watch your event. And maybe, just maybe they’ll become fans of the sport your event represents. And maybe they’ll watch it again next time without that celebrity. Maybe they’ll even be inspired to try it themselves.

It’s not about “competition.” It’s about making it interesting to people so they’ll watch it on TV. Specifically, making it interesting to people who would not have watched it otherwise.

Perhaps I just have a more pessimistic view on the real outcomes. I doubt its going to have a profound effect on participation (which is growing at incredibly high rates as is) nor do I see it as beign any more of a motivation for people to get healthy. Why would seeing a person who has been an athlete all their life, with limitless resources, compete in a sport make you want to get healthy? I don’t see this as a way to grow triathlon popularity, I see it as something that cheapens the sports image.

Give him a free spot to any of the other dozens of races WTC puts on, if he qualifies for Kona then I’d be more than happy to see him there. I won’t support someone who hasn’t done anything to prove themselves in the sport but still gets a run at the title.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:55am #

@boostuv: Then why did they invite him to participate?

But really, does his being invited to compete really cheapen the event? I say no.

Had they tinkered with the format to give him an advantage? Then, yes THAT would have cheapened the event. But merely allowing him in the field, who cares. He’s another dude out there huffin’ and puffin’.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 7:56am #

(but back to the original topic…)

I think a Hines Ward/Cycling PSA is a fantastic idea.

I think they (who they? whomever) should jump at these opportunities. Eventually the message will gain traction.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 8:11am #

AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe wrote:@boostuv: Then why did they invite him to participate?

But really, does his being invited to compete really cheapen the event? I say no.

Had they tinkered with the format to give him an advantage? Then, yes THAT would have cheapened the event. But merely allowing him in the field, who cares. He’s another dude out there huffin’ and puffin’.

We obviously arent going to see eye to eye here. I think it cheapens the event because its the world championship. They are letting him compete in the equivalent of the Olympics or the SuperBowl without having any merit other than his name.

Have you ever watch a triathlon on tv? I’m guessing not. Kona is a 10+ hour event so I dont see how anyone is going to say “I love Hines so much I’m going to plant myself here for 12 hours to watch the entire thing.” Instead they’ll wait for Sports Center to run a 15 minute highlight reel and move on to the next stupid celebrity event.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 8:12am #

But to get back on topic, I too agree that a PSA from a respected and well liked celebrity is nothing but a great thing.


JaySherman5000

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Mar 12 2013 at 8:18am #

Looking at this objectively, if Hines finishes Kona ahead of anyone, then giving him a spot in the race without making him qualify for it will be justified because he will have proven himself better than someone who actually did qualify. So, unless Hines gets a DNF or finishes dead last, extending him the courtesy of not having to run qualifiers is exactly that: an extension of professional courtesy. The organizers know what caliber athlete he is, so instead of making Hines go through that rigmarolle, they say “okay, we believe you are at least as capable as the least qualified triathlete in the field.” I see no problem with that.

What does concern me is that any sport the Lance touched is forever tainted. WTC? should be WDC…smh.


Marko82

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Mar 12 2013 at 8:30am #

I think a few PSAs showing celebrities riding bikes would be fantastic for getting people out on bikes. It would tap into the “it’s cool” factor instead of the usual bikes are for people who can’t afford cars mentality. I don’t think it will make cycling any safer though. Jackass drivers will always be with us.

Also, I think a Hines Ward or Steelers sponsored bike ride would be even better. How about having a half dozen Steelers/Penguins/Pirates lead the start of Pedal Pittsburgh?


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 8:47am #

@boostuv: If it was all about the purity and qualifications of the field, why does the Ironman Kona offer lottery entry?

“The IRONMAN Lottery allows athletes of all abilities the chance to compete at the world’s most prestigious triathlon, the IRONMAN World Championship.”

Originally from: http://www.ironman.com/triathlon-news/articles/2013/02/why-we-love-lottery.aspx#ixzz2NKi1drYe

Plus, there have never been 10 hours of live TV coverage. I remember Al Trautwig hosting a condensed show of maybe two hours, with a live finish.


Mikhail

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Mar 12 2013 at 10:12am #

boostuv wrote:Have you ever watch a triathlon on tv? I’m guessing not. Kona is a 10+ hour event so I dont see how anyone is going to say “I love Hines so much I’m going to plant myself here for 12 hours to watch the entire thing.” Instead they’ll wait for Sports Center to run a 15 minute highlight reel and move on to the next stupid celebrity event.

Have you ever watch le Tour de France? Giro d’Italia? Vuelta a España? Every stage is multi hour event. From 4 to 6 (TTs and prologues are different beasts). And TV shows most interesting moments usually in a couple of hours. I watched triathlons on TV. It’s also usually a 2 hour show with a lot of shots at end of swim, transition zone to bikes, and then suddenly end of biking and transition zone for running. And finally, finish. So, nobody is going to plant themselves for 12 hours. 2 hours may be.

Would it bring more popularity to the triathlon itself? I think it would.

In terms of Olympics. Do you know that to qualify to Olympics you need to be (usually) best or second best in the season? But what if your country does not have anyone in a particular sport? Then you are qualified with any result.

I understand why you do not like the way it happened but I think Hines is not going to be close to winning it.


Mikhail

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Mar 12 2013 at 10:15am #

Marko82 wrote:Also, I think a Hines Ward or Steelers sponsored bike ride would be even better. How about having a half dozen Steelers/Penguins/Pirates lead the start of Pedal Pittsburgh?

I like it. Even more why we don’t have something like Steeler’s 5K run/walk only for bicycles?


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 10:40am #

“The 2012 IRONMAN World Championship telecast on NBC Sports will air on Saturday, October 27th from 4pm ET to 6pm ET (Check your local listings).
Featuring an updated style that provides Ironman fans with an inside look at what the pros go through during race week, this year’s NBC telecast of the IRONMAN World Championship presented by MyList provides an “all access” experience of this year’s race in Kona.
“For the first time we’re presenting this show just two weeks after the race,” says show producer Eric Begley. “The race was so exciting, it demanded an action-packed show with more race coverage than ever before.”

Originally from: http://www.ironman.com/triathlon-news/articles/2012/10/2012-nbc-show-preview.aspx#ixzz2NLAVBgti”

A two hour show.

On NBC Sports.

Two weeks after the event.

I’ll be watching.

I love that sh*t.


cburch

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Mar 12 2013 at 11:10am #

2 things;

triathletes like to complain. boostuv is just staying true to the sport.

im only into a HW psa if he also says something about not texting (or drinking) and driving since he’s had repeated issues with both and shown absolutely ZERO remorse for either.


edmonds59

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Mar 12 2013 at 11:13am #

This is America, remorse is for losers, USA, USA!


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 2:33pm #

I wont pretend like I’m not biased being as how I race triathlons. Obviously doing so has made me appreciate the sport in a different way than I did prior to doing them and Kona is like the Mecca of triathlon so seeing someone who hasn’t earned their spot there irks me. Still undecided on the lottery/legacy spots but you also have to realize those might not be as “random” as they appear. A good portion of those picked have a cool story or triumph. While I think going to Kona would be awesome I havent entered the lottery and as of now don’t really plan to. I know I’m not ready for it and I think it would mean a lot more to earn a ticket myself. There’s not really much else to say to it than that.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 12 2013 at 2:43pm #

@boostuv: I totally respect the whole “its only worth doing because it is really f-ing hard.” And as great an athlete as Hines Ward is, he’s not a triathlete, and I’d be shocked if he finishes anywhere near the money. Won’t that enhance the stature of the sport and further demonstrate how challenging it is?


scott

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Mar 12 2013 at 2:48pm #

We’ll see if we can get an “in.” We’re trying to design a PR campaign right now that this could fit into potentially. We’re awaiting on art work next week. It might work. If not there’s a possibility we could work with him separately. We just need an intro.


steevo

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Mar 12 2013 at 4:28pm #

I think the olympics for triathlon is well…. the triathlon event in the olympics.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 9:42pm #

steevo wrote:I think the olympics for triathlon is well…. the triathlon event in the olympics.

For short course yes. An Iron Man race is roughly 3x longer than the race in the Olympics.


boostuv

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Mar 12 2013 at 9:43pm #

boostuv wrote:

steevo wrote:I think the olympics for triathlon is well…. the triathlon event in the olympics.

For short course yes. An Iron Man race is roughly 4x longer than the race in the Olympics.


gg

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Mar 12 2013 at 11:05pm #

If Hines wants to do an Ironman and qualify for Kona, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does it. He is an amazing athlete, but moreover he is also a very strong willed guy. Ironman races are not only physically tough, they require a certain mindset. I have a feeling Hines may qualify if that is his goal.


edmonds59

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Mar 13 2013 at 6:41am #

In another more positive note, in case anyone was paying attention, an American on an American team took second in the Paris-Nice, and another American on a different team took fifth. So this seems like a good way to get past the LA era – win stuff.


steevo

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Mar 13 2013 at 6:58pm #

yes its a shame that he was amore and vita previously.


boostuv

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Mar 17 2013 at 7:24pm #

JaySherman5000 wrote:Looking at this objectively, if Hines finishes Kona ahead of anyone, then giving him a spot in the race without making him qualify for it will be justified because he will have proven himself better than someone who actually did qualify. So, unless Hines gets a DNF or finishes dead last, extending him the courtesy of not having to run qualifiers is exactly that: an extension of professional courtesy. The organizers know what caliber athlete he is, so instead of making Hines go through that rigmarolle, they say “okay, we believe you are at least as capable as the least qualified triathlete in the field.” I see no problem with that.

What does concern me is that any sport the Lance touched is forever tainted. WTC? should be WDC…smh.

Looking at the results from his race today, still standing by my statements that he hasn’t done anything to prove himself of being a Kona worthy athlete.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Mar 17 2013 at 8:08pm #

Yeah but… google “Hines Ward triathlon,” it is clear, the media loves him (which is why he is there…).


byogman

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Mar 17 2013 at 8:14pm #

They want to capture interest by having a name known outside racing in the field (and hope that money follows).

He’s a very good athlete and determined guy, but totally outside the field. There’s no particular reason to think he’ll be a serious contender, but he’s an unknown quantity. It will be interesting for many outsiders (most potential viewers) to see how he does.

So it’s not fair of course, but you can’t argue that it’s irrational. They just have motivations other than to broadcast the direct competition of only the best in the sport. And we already knew this given the random selection slots, they just decided that picking a famous football player was an interesting thing to do with one of them.


JaySherman5000

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Mar 18 2013 at 8:55am #

@boostuv: can you post a link or at least tell us if he finished the event? I googled “Hines Ward triathlon” and several other iteration and couldn’t find any results, only pictures. It’s like the people that run the event want to keep the outcome secret for some reason. Why not just post the highlights already?

On another note, I’m glad that adding Hines to the field has made you take a greater interest in his race yesterday. I guess the marketing is already paying off.


steevo

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Mar 18 2013 at 9:25am #

Ive watched Kona once. It is a boring sport. I love bike racing, but
ironman has no tactics, no teams…. just seeing how hard a person can
push themself. Pretty freaking boring to me and Im an athlete.

When I watched it, there was lopsided coverage on: Old people, the dad
who pushed his handicapped son…. under dog stories. That is what
people like.

Most people watching Ironman on NBC or whatever, dont give 2 shits
that some doped up guy pushed 367 watts for a 3:42 bike split. They
have no idea what that means and probably couldnt name a city that
is 112 miles away..

The Hines Ward thing is cool to them. It is somebody that they think
they know and think that they like trying to overcome something
they believe to be very difficult. The ultimate underdog.


Mikhail

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Mar 18 2013 at 11:07am #

steevo wrote:some doped up guy pushed 367 watts for a 3:42 bike split

Agreed. 160 km for less than 4-hours alone — it looks very unrealistic.


Mikhail

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Mar 18 2013 at 11:11am #

steevo wrote:It is a boring sport. I love bike racing, but
ironman has no tactics, no teams….

To be honest, I think bike races are the same for many people. They just don’t understand it (I don’t pretend I understand it completely). At previous work I tried to watch big three races while I was in gym. Did not work well. People prefer judge Mantis or similar crap.


edmonds59

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Mar 18 2013 at 11:16am #

I watched several hours of Irish cooking shows while vegging out. I did not realize the Ironman was on. It probably would not have changed anything.


cdavey

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Mar 18 2013 at 11:54am #

@edmonds59 — As someone who is both Irish and cooks, there is enough good Irish cooking to fill up several hours worth of time on cooking shows??? Who knew? Faith and Begorrah!! Bring me a stout!! I need one (or two) after this revelation. :)


boostuv

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Mar 18 2013 at 7:07pm #

Any endurance sport is fairly boring to watch be it running, cycling, triathlon, etc… I only watch Kona to support the huge number of PGH athletes that go there every year. It might not be well known but there is a number of professional triathletes in our area who do a lot to help the sport. We probably have one of the best triathlon clubs in the country.

As for his results, here you go.

http://www.geminitiming.com/posts/superseal-vi-seal-sprint-iii/

1:27:47

I did my first triathlon ever in 1:19 without a coach or a $12k bike and I’m a middle of the road athlete. So I’ll say it again, he has no business racing Kona.

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