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I need a Tuesday Team Decaf ride buddy

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Pseudacris

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Jul 4 2011 at 3:11pm #

Count me in – I liked that route!


mr marvelous

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Jul 4 2011 at 4:15pm #

I like that idea of repetition of the routes. I’ll be there I’m definitely hooked on the Tuesday Decaf rides.


cburch

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Jul 5 2011 at 8:26pm #

stef is going to be there if she isnt feeling sick.


stefb

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Jul 5 2011 at 9:21pm #

Oh it would be so easy to be lazy tonight. Feels quite toasty out there.


stefb

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Jul 6 2011 at 12:19am #

I met mr marvelous and the elusive ahlir! I really should have hung back with the second group, but I brought my fancy bike and wanted a fast ride.

I can’t really say this about the entire group (in fact, people seemed to be riding appropriately when I passed the second group on the way home), but i will tell you about my experience with what I think was the lead group of about 10 people. I kinda got the feeling that i was among other type A people (which isn’t a bad thing, since I am also type A and like to go fast), but the group was not riding in the safest fashion. I know that an announcement was made at the beginnig of the ride saying to stick to the general rules of the road. Of course I don’t expect everyone to take turns stopping and putting their feet down and counting to three, but several people did not even touch their brakes while flying through several stop signs on beechwood near the park. That made me uneasy. Saying “car back” and seeing people continue to ride near the double yellow, when they could have safely moved over to let cars pass. We did stop at lights, but there was more than one occasion when the front half of the group pulled out when there was a car who had the right of way coming at us less than 500 feet away. At one point a rider was riding over the double yellow for no reason. I found myself thinking ” no wonder drivers hate cyclists”, and at that point I stopped, checked to see if the tag was picked up, and then turned around and went home. Now I am by no means the model for perfect cycling, but I actually felt unsafe in the group. Sorry to rant. I don’t mean to badmouth the group. I don’t want to deter anyone from going, but I think if I am able to make it again, I will bring my single speed and hang with the more relaxed group.


mr marvelous

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Jul 6 2011 at 2:38am #

@ Stefb I agree that there are a couple of riders that could use a refresher in riding etiquette. But don’t let one or two bad riders ruin the fun of the Tuesday ride for you. I don’t know about the front group or how they ride but I do know us slower riders do try to follow the rules of the road. There has been a couple of bad rider on the ride and TeamDecafWeekend has been great at listening to concerns and addressing them. TeamDecafWeekend is very approachable and does take steps to keep the ride safe and fun. Btw it was awesome meeting you, I hope to ride with you again.


Pseudacris

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Jul 6 2011 at 2:45am #

+1


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jul 6 2011 at 3:14am #

+2


stefb

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Jul 6 2011 at 9:05am #

Yeah you, too!

I don’t mean to sound whiney about it. I was thinking more about it and I realize that I have never done a group ride that wasn’t a flock ride. I guess I do notice bad riding on the ms150, pedal pgh, etc. I just felt kinda like I wanted to apologize to people in cars for some of the bad riding I saw. And I would hate to see anyone get hurt, too.


Kayla

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Jul 6 2011 at 12:06pm #

Maybe next week I can come….maybe…


Kayla

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Jul 6 2011 at 12:13pm #

Or maybe not..I have my motorcycle safety course the next two Tuesday evenings. Meh.


dwillen

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Jul 6 2011 at 1:09pm #

Sounds like a really fast critical mass. Shame.


Drewbacca

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Jul 6 2011 at 2:32pm #

“Shame.”

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Pseudacris

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Jul 6 2011 at 2:59pm #

This might be an outcome of the growth of the group, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread. The “rules” on their old web site seem pretty reasonable to me and it was announced before the ride that people should obey traffic laws. There was also a reminder & request to not pass other cyclists on the right, which apparently someone did a lot of the previous week. Due to the size of the group and the varying levels of speed & etiquette, the large group breaks into smaller ones pretty quickly. I didn’t get the impression that many of the riders participate in this message board, though, except for most of Team Dropped.


Pseudacris

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Jul 6 2011 at 3:11pm #

The rules posted on the old Team Decaf web site seem pretty reasonable (I tried to put the link, but I think it is getting blocked). I suspect the current issues have to do with the growth of interest in the ride. I don’t think a lot of people on it participate in this message board, so I’m not sure the best way to reach them. At the start of the ride was announced the expectation to obey traffic rules and to not pass other cyclists on the right. When the group is large, Dan announces it twice: once at each end of the blob of people to make sure everyone hears it.

I think there are some people who have built up speed and endurance on the trails or in large charity rides who are not aware that they are endangering themselves and others.

Due to the size of the group, it splits up pretty quick. I think the ride could change if enough fellow riders decided to set examples or take leadership in that area. Team Dropped I think does a pretty good job of riding safely & reminding ourselves & others to check each intersection for themselves & not block cars unreasonably. One guy was blocking a (honking) car in a lane on Beechwood for no good reason. Even though it was his right to be there, it was just rude.


brian j

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Jul 6 2011 at 3:45pm #

This is par for the course with most club rides. I don’t fault the ride leaders, either–folks do these rides for different reasons, and bring different attitudes toward road behavior. FOC is pretty unique, methinks, in its mission.

If anything, experiencing/observing an average club ride will promptly make one realize that simply riding a bicycle does not bring about some sort of road behavior enlightenment. It has everything to do with the attitude of the person atop the saddle (similar, it would seem, to cagers as well).


cburch

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Jul 6 2011 at 3:47pm #

i just don’t think i will ever understand why someone who wants to put their serious face on and train hard would chose to stay in the city to do it when there are so many great routes available out in the ‘burbs and farm country that require no stopping for miles on end.


Chris Mayhew

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Jul 6 2011 at 7:05pm #

bjanaszek spits hot fire. The same people that drive cars ride bikes.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jul 6 2011 at 9:04pm #

“Sounds like a really fast critical mass. Shame.”

The shame is that a post about the behavior of a few participants on last night’s ride have created the above impression. I see poor cycling behavior almost every time I do Team DeCaf. But I also see poor cycling behavior almost every time I drive across the East End.

The vast majority of Team Decaf riders are just out for a nice evening ride. To be honest, what cburch just said makes a lot of sense to me, and I can’t figure it our either.

But please avoid painting TD with such a broad brush. The sub-group I ended up riding with last night probably had a median age of close to 40. We stopped a lot (especially atop Calvary Cemetery), chatted quite a bit, and were respectful and courteous to each other as well as the traffic around us.

We should all be careful to make judgements based solely on a post. Come see for yourself before labeling TD or any other group “like Critical Mass,” because at least in this case, it couldn’t be farther from the truth.


mr marvelous

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Jul 6 2011 at 9:47pm #

+1


mr marvelous

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Jul 6 2011 at 9:51pm #

I have met some wonderful people on the TD rides and I plan to ride with them every Tuesday, come ride with us I promise you’ll have fun.


dwillen

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Jul 6 2011 at 10:05pm #

The shame is that a post about the behavior of a few participants on last night’s ride have created the above impression. I see poor cycling behavior almost every time I do Team DeCaf. But I also see poor cycling behavior almost every time I drive across the East End.

I’m sure all the drivers out on the road got a similar impression. That is the shame I was referring to. We should all work to be better ambassadors for cycling. Just because you see it all the time doesn’t make it okay.


Drewbacca

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Jul 6 2011 at 11:57pm #

I’m not sure why anyone thinks there was any negativity towards TD or the leaders of TD, it was clearly a statement concerning individuals on the ride and not the ride itself. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to discover that the individuals were the same pair that I watched blatantly run a few red lights on a different day. It’s bad enough when someone on a bike shows a disregard for safety (nevermind the law), I think it’s compounded when a serious cyclist on a nice bike and wearing spandex rides the same way; it definitely leaves a bad impression on drivers.

I look forward to joining a TD ride when I’m in town on the right day of the week.


mr marvelous

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Jul 7 2011 at 1:49am #

I am glad that people are bringing up things that make them uncomfortable, its better to bring it up and have the issues addressed than to just not come back. We will all work together to make this a better ride.


stefb

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Jul 7 2011 at 10:52am #

Yes, i don’t mean to just slam the entire ride And discourage people from going. I am really glad that there are group rides like this and others around the city. Dan is super nice every time I talk to him, and I am grateful to people who put the time into organizing and leading rides. It was my first club ride experience, and like i said, as with any group of anything, there is usually someone who breaks or bends rules, or who is just annoying or a jackass.


TeamDecaf

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Jul 7 2011 at 1:09pm #

I’ve been too busy at work to comment, but a quick overview of my thoughts…

I’m not happy that we have riders who stir up the distaste for cyclists by drivers. Sadly, we do have such riders and I have no control over them because we all get separated into small groups.

I’m afraid that going through red lights and taking the entire lane when there’s clearly room for cars and bikes will result in new laws that will have bikes licensed (oh no@!) and require built-on-the bike turn signal lights.

We all have to be respectful of each other on the road.


TeamDecaf

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Jul 7 2011 at 1:18pm #

Just another fyi… there are 4 leaders of Team Decaf this year. I’m the most active, map-makin’ web-updatin’ leader. Last year, I created the Team Decaf Weekend rides (which I’ve now kinda forgotten about). The guy who started Decaf years ago passed the baton at the end of last year.

We’re not exactly coordinated – the downside of volunteerism. Road riders have been doing this ride for a long time – it has a life of its own.

My website with more info Team Decaf


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jul 7 2011 at 4:17pm #

@dwillen, headloss – my point was that it’s bs to smear TD as “a really fast Critical Mass” based on somebody else’s post. TD is VERY different, and has no political agenda, as does CM.

Yes it is a shame a few TD riders rode poorly, but cyclists exhibit poor behavior whether on group rides or not. No one (and certainly not me) said that observing it made it okay, my point was that you see it all the time in and out of group rides.

Sorry to vent on this, but it gets my ire up because the reality of TD couldn’t be further from Critical Mass.


stefb

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Jul 7 2011 at 4:21pm #

Yeah I wouldnt say that it was even close to critical mass.


Mick

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Jul 7 2011 at 4:39pm #

The Team Decaf rides I’ve been on struck me as well run and freindly. A bit fast for me.

The vibe of the fastest people seemed a bit “lycra-clad steroid-boy wannabe” to me. That leads to some bad behavior.

I saw no one be deliberately provocative, though. It’s hard to imagine that happening. That thoroughly differentiates the ride from CM.

TeamDecafWeekend does a great job, IMO.


mr marvelous

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Jul 7 2011 at 6:00pm #

Ok lets take a deep breath and relax. I don’t think this is what stefb was trying to say. lets end this all with saying we love the Team Decaf ride and we all will try to do our part to make it a fun and enjoyable ride. We can also say Team Dropped rocks!


Marko82

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Jul 7 2011 at 9:34pm #

Only slightly off topic: I rode with the Major Taylor group Wednesday night leaving from OTB. It was a fun ride – 16 riders, faster than Flock but slower than (front pack of) decafe. We went through station square, north side, riverview park, back to OTB. About twenty miles. If you are looking for a group ride on Wed. I’d recommend it.


Ahlir

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Jul 8 2011 at 2:10am #

I second Marco’s suggestion. The Wednesday OTB ride is really great; the atmosphere is low-key and welcoming. And they’re actually serious about that no-drop thing.

I haven’t been on any this season (schedule issues) but I did manage several last summer.

I had a great time on every one of them. If you find the Tuesday WPW ride a bit off-putting, definitely check out the OTB ride. If nothing else, the group’s culture is much more sensitive to urban cycling and to respecting traffic laws. But the routes are just as challenging as the ones in the WPW rides.

Anyway, check it out.


stefb

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Jul 8 2011 at 2:12am #

I just might! I guess I was spoiled with the flock rides and was a little clueless on exactly what a club ride might entail


Pseudacris

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Jul 8 2011 at 2:30am #

Thanks for the tips about the Wednesday OTB rides. I’ll definitely try adding that to the mix. I know I can’t do the one next week but will try after that. Ahlir, do you ride home through Panther hollow afterwards? Does the Major Taylor ride end after dark?


Ahlir

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Jul 8 2011 at 3:08am #

Panther Hollow would be the (best) way to get back for those of us in the East End (unless you’re restless, in which case downtown and Liberty should do you). Ending time really depends on circumstance; my recollection is that the ride ends enough before dark to still make it home before night. There’s always the option to bail when the shadows get too long (I’ve done it).

I haven’t had issues with Panther Hollow into the evening (YMMV). I’m happy to convoy with others up that way; let people know you’re going and that’ll be that much more incentive for other east-enders (well, for me at least) to make it to the ride.


Kayla

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Jul 8 2011 at 3:14am #

If I end up going on a Wednesday ride (more probable in the next couple weeks than a Tuesday one), I’ll be going home through Panther Hollow. I’ll post here closer to the ride if I’m going or not.


Pseudacris

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Jul 8 2011 at 3:16am #

Ahlir, thanks, I’ll drop you a message when I can do one of these. If I’m tired I like to be extra careful about where I pedal in the dark on my own. There’s also a bus that goes from South Side Works to Bakery Square – so that’s a good fallback option for me.

[edit] Kayla, great, thanks! I think we just posted at the same moment …


brian j

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Jul 8 2011 at 11:49am #

Do the Major Taylor folks run any rides out of the Kingsley Center these days? Those might be more convenient for the East Enders among us…


mr marvelous

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Jul 12 2011 at 6:47pm #

Bring your water bottles its gonna be a hot muggy ride today

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