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reddan

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Jan 20 2011 at 1:11am #

Again I don’t know, but I’d guess: The penalties on EOG resources were so mild that 1) the company is still doing business and 2) none of the managers that allowed this to happen is in jail.

Vaguely related: I don’t know if it’s true, but I recall reading a few years back that the EPA’s schedule of fines hasn’t been updated since the 1970s. So, in many cases, it’s actually cheaper for a company to disregard the regulations and pay any subsequent fines than it is to properly dispose of their pollutants. That’s effed up.


ejwme

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Jan 20 2011 at 12:45pm #

cburch – PNW, pick an island (one with ferry access, ideally, at least that’s what we’re doing, eventually). If you’re north of the border, the key words are “Crown Land” (either as neighbors or “former”). And check on the logging history, nothing post 1970s will be pleasant, nothing pre 1950s will be affordable.

While I object to _potentially_ poisoning the water in future centuries by pumping this crap miles down, the problem with the water sheds is more when it comes back out of the ground. Everybody’s already covered that, though.

Something I learned as a child – just because one CAN do something doesn’t mean one SHOULD do it. The benefit:risk ratio is often incompletely understood.


sloaps

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Jan 20 2011 at 1:00pm #

And to bring this back on topic… Bicycle powered market forces will keep all the bad things in the world from all the good things. Problem Solved.


edmonds59

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Jan 20 2011 at 1:09pm #

I think it was J. Robert Oppenheimer who said “It seemed like a good idea at the time”. Maybe not. But it seems to apply here.


HiddenVariable

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Jan 20 2011 at 2:20pm #

well, after doing an “afternoon of net-surfing”, it looks like the following can be concluded:

a) claims from both sides are inflated, starting with the “not a single incident” claim from the drilling side, and moving on to the “destroy the world as we know it” from the environmental side.

2) that gas is coming out, one way or another. there’s just waaay too much energy/money involved in it for it to remain in the earth for long.

iii) current standards, enforcement, punishment, and practices need to be monitored and improved upon.

i got the impression that the real issue is whether the problems come from “a few bad apples” or whether it’s institutional. the industry side loves to pull out the specious claim that no incident has been credibly linked to fracking. but they would make that claim even if every fracking well was improperly drilled, because all wells need properly drilled, and it’s not just a problem with fracking! but that argument doesn’t hold up if such problems are institutional within the fracking industry. unfortunately, that bit of information seems hard to come by at the moment.


Pseudacris

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Jan 20 2011 at 2:37pm #

@hidden: I like your numbering system!


Kordite

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Jan 20 2011 at 2:55pm #

I ride a lot of trails and most of those trails ride through environments devastated by coal mining. Even after a century of abandonment and neglect, the scars are still painfully apparent. It will take centuries more for nature to erase the damage and, in the case of acid mine drainage, it could take time on a geologic scale for nature to clean up the mess.

Does the short term energy needs of the country and the money to be gained from the lease balance out the potential ecological costs for generations to come? I don’t think so because I don’t believe the industry’s assertion that everything will be fine and that they can mine with no ecological impact. I’ve seen too much of the damage their predecessors have done.

I am also not convinced by the “My neighbors have signed, the damage is done, I might as well jump on the gravy train” argument. Only when someone takes a stand and says “no further” does anything get accomplished. The Montour Trail board is apparently jumping on the gravy train.


erok

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Jan 20 2011 at 3:35pm #

industries that regulate themselves. that seems to usually work out pretty well.


Greasefoot

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Jan 20 2011 at 3:42pm #

@erok Kind of just like the BP gulf oil spill


erok

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Jan 20 2011 at 4:00pm #

worked out well for the banks too


erok

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Jan 20 2011 at 4:08pm #

here’s an article in today’s PG about murrysville trying to deal with these companies

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11020/1119373-113.stm


Pseudacris

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Jan 20 2011 at 4:11pm #

[from the above article] “Remember, this is a living, breathing document,”

ironic…


Mick

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Jan 20 2011 at 4:33pm #

@erok industries that regulate themselves. that seems to usually work out pretty well.

Government regulation is socialist tyrany.

Free market forces do a great job of regulating banks and oil companies.

When they outlaw tea, only outlaws will have tea bags.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jan 20 2011 at 4:47pm #

All I know is, PWSA is alarmed at the THMs and rising bromide levels to the point of purchasing new monitoring equipment and alerting their partner municipalities.


ejwme

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Jan 20 2011 at 5:46pm #

I work in an industry that is similar in that it produces poison for energy for profit. We also have safety measures and whistleblower protections in place that you would not believe. My favorite is the Stop Work call – fingers off keyboards, full stop. And we’re in an office.

Chemistry doesn’t get respect until it’s used to make bombs, then people freak out about it. A modicum of freaking out is warranted, but I’ve yet to see the fracking industry take their chemicals seriously at all. Rather than treat chemistry with respect, they’re treating it with marketing.

Bikes won’t solve that problem.


Kordite

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Jan 20 2011 at 7:38pm #

test message, please disregard, my system has been loosing posts


nick

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Jan 20 2011 at 7:57pm #

hidden varible:

<i>”a) claims from both sides are inflated, starting with the “not a single incident” claim from the drilling side, and moving on to the “destroy the world as we know it” from the environmental side.”</i>

the effects of fracking are more or less knowable. we can look at places in colorado and texas where they are already 5 years into the boom. the effects are: intense AIR pollution, elevated cancer rates, poisoned wells and sick people. while not ever single water well gets poisoned. we are not able to see the full extent of the damage because often people with poisoned well water sign non-disclosure contracts in order to avoid a 10 year court battle.

i think the real issue is priorities. is the human (and PA constitutional) right to clean water and air of local people more important than the prerogatives of international corporations and the global marketplace.


edmonds59

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Jan 20 2011 at 9:31pm #

To step back a bit, Sara, seems like establishing the precedent of a Rail-with-trail might help with getting some completion of the Panhandle into Carnegie, maybe, no?


Pseudacris

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Mar 17 2011 at 9:59pm #

If anyone has a spare $995 laying around, this event would be very interesting to attend. The CEO of Range Resources is one of the speakers.


erok

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Mar 18 2011 at 1:35am #

damn. is everyone with the last name of pinkerton a baby eater?


ejwme

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Mar 18 2011 at 6:03pm #

accidentally heard some of the Range Resources on the radio past few weeks. Really had to restrain the gag reflex. Are people that dumb?


StuInMcCandless

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Mar 18 2011 at 7:55pm #

Not that dumb, but money talks very loudly, and in proportion to the amount of land you own the mineral rights to.


salty

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Mar 19 2011 at 2:31am #

Ugh, those f’n inane “I love the fracking company” commercials. They are pretty sickening… too bad reality is even sicker.


dwillen

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Mar 19 2011 at 10:43pm #

I need to make an ironic t-shirt. “I <3 the frackers”


erok

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Mar 21 2011 at 3:06pm #

Meet the Frackers


dmtroyer

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Mar 30 2012 at 6:32pm #

The Atlantic – For Pennsylvania’s Doctors, a Gag Order on Fracking Chemicals


Mick

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Mar 30 2012 at 7:13pm #

It’s a shame bike advocacy doesn’t have the resources that energy companies do – we could buy our very own governor and and few legislators, too!


Drewbacca

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Mar 30 2012 at 10:41pm #

“we could buy our very own governor “

So true, I couldn’t help but laugh. :(


salty

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Mar 31 2012 at 12:36am #

Wow, that exceeds even the already ridiculous level of idiocy. I guess I can only hope eventually they will go far enough that even the people who voted for these clowns will wake up, but then again i hear santorum seems to be winning primaries and being upset about an unarmed black kid getting shot is apparently a political statement – so much for hope.


Vannevar

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Mar 31 2012 at 3:58pm #

Tour de Frack:

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