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Benzo

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Jun 21 2013 at 7:11am #

byogman wrote:If it is an emergency, don’t they have flashers/sirens to get through traffic and lights? The trails are narrow and aren’t made for heavy vehicles and speed. Roads are, go everywhere, and with these aids seem like they ought to be the fastest thing possible. And nobody on the trail anticipates something moving fast around a bend, over the next rise, whatever, so they’re creating a real danger.

Those joggers blasting music in their headphones are in their own little worlds. This might be most dangerous to them. I’ve straight up yelled at people and they were still surprised when I squeezed around their group running 4 or 5 wide.


edmonds59

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Jun 21 2013 at 7:18am #

^That. Some people, be they joggers, walkers, bikers, drivers, are so surprised when, time and time again, they discover that they are not the only people on Earth! Amazing. :/


gg

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Jun 21 2013 at 7:31am #

byogman wrote:Forget about our space vs. theirs, it’s just dumb.

If it’s not an emergency, they’re not special, and it goes without saying that any motorist should be following conventional rules of the ROAD.

If it is an emergency, don’t they have flashers/sirens to get through traffic and lights? The trails are narrow and aren’t made for heavy vehicles and speed. Roads are, go everywhere, and with these aids seem like they ought to be the fastest thing possible. And nobody on the trail anticipates something moving fast around a bend, over the next rise, whatever, so they’re creating a real danger.

The only reason I can see that an EMT vehicle should be allowed on the trail is if they’re responding to an emergency on the trail itself.

Sounds like your argument is about their space vs. ours. Enjoy the day.


byogman

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Jun 21 2013 at 8:35am #

Sounds like your argument is about their space vs. ours. Enjoy the day.

Kinda, I was just taking a step back to explain my perspective in detail rather than relying on what people already take for granted when using words like mine, yours, belonging, etc. The reason being that different people take different (and sometimes directly opposed) things for granted and then can’t talk to each other.

What was unclear, because I was trying to sound like a real human (and probably failing), was that I didn’t think that we necessarily disagreed on perspective, just on how to talk about it. Getting into hair splitting territory, I should stop. But as foreign as I’m sure this seems, this IS me enjoying my day. You do the same :)


Mikhail

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Jun 21 2013 at 11:38am #

Pierce wrote:*EMTs on motorcycles

This is kind of confusing because I’ve never seen EMTs on motorcycles. Like I’ve seen them on ATVs on/around beaches

Were they emergency motorcycles?

During big events I’ve seen EMT guys on bikes and seagways.


Mikhail

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Jun 21 2013 at 11:41am #

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ericf

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Jul 19 2013 at 6:18am #

I don’t have the mad skills, but I want this!!! The railroad tracks would become my highways!


paulheckbert

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Aug 5 2013 at 9:38am #

The Elf, an electric tricycle, $5000. Top speed with motor alone, 20 mph, range on one battery charge: 20 miles, range per day with motor+pedaling: 60-90 miles.

It looks like fun but I hope it doesn’t show up on our trails. I’d rather see it on the roads with cars than on the trails with bicycles and pedestrians.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/05/navigating-the-greenway-1200-miles-journey-in-an-electric-bicycle-car/


Lou M.

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Aug 5 2013 at 2:07pm #

On Friday of last week I was heading up past the soccer fields in the Hollow and noticed a couple just sitting there with lawn chairs right at the path just looking out. Thought that was odd, then I see why. Probably a 6 year old girl and 8 year old boy riding an ATV (quad) along the trail for fun.


joanne

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Aug 10 2013 at 6:16pm #

Today I saw a very confused looking fellow driving his car on the paths through Point State Park. He slowly went under the bridge, with everyone in the park gawking at him, and headed toward the blockhouse. It didn’t look like a service vehicle or security/police, either. Crazy.


smarchit

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Aug 19 2013 at 9:42pm #

Incident along Montour Trail by the Robinson YMCA this evening. At least two vehicles that I know of apparently ran off of Montour Run Rd and into the creek bed. Guessing that the two flatbed haulers and tow truck that were on scene entered the trail at Brothers Grim. Well over an hour of the trail being completely blocked by the flatbeds between when we first saw them heading out, and when they were extracting the second vehicle during our return trip. And they were still knee deep in the process at that point. Unconfirmed report from another trail user that one person was transported to hospital, and another was transported to the clinker. Yikes!


paulheckbert

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Dec 10 2013 at 6:26pm #

Will we start seeing electric skateboards on the trails, soon?

Ugh. I hope not. These look fun, but we should keep them off bike & pedestrian trails.

The current cadillac model might be the golfboard (wide tires for grass):

http://golfboard.com

specs: max speed is 11 mph, range is 18 to 36 holes of golf, which works out to 4-8 miles. $3600.

Meanwhile, the simpler zboards (small, smooth wheels like a skateboard) sell for $650.

http://www.zboardshop.com/


Pierce

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Dec 11 2013 at 1:12am #

About a week or so ago a guy on a motorcycle was about to start heading down the SS trail towards Keystone Metals, but I was going the opposite way and he was right by the last gate by the red metal buildings and I was like “What are you doing on the trail?” and kind of corked it. He then did like a three point turn and went back through the gate and continued to ride back up the long road towards the HMB and made a left, presumably to go on Carson


Pierce

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Dec 11 2013 at 1:15am #

Also, I don’t know what the heck they’re doing, but it seems like they’ve been doing work around the pump house for the past year and utility company vehicles regularly park in the bike lanes, which pisses me off because I have to go around them


byogman

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Dec 11 2013 at 8:57am #

paulheckbert wrote:Will we start seeing electric skateboards on the trails, soon?

Ugh. I hope not. These look fun, but we should keep them off bike & pedestrian trails.

I don’t really see the harm. It’s one thing if they’re go 25 and/or pack a wallop due to weight, but neither seem like issues here.

The more people that use the trails the more demand there is for trails, the more get created, the more useful that network becomes.


RustyRed

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Dec 11 2013 at 9:15am #

About 3 weeks ago, I was riding here:

… and a truck came around this bend at me way too fast for the trail. I screeched to a halt because he was taking up the entire trail and he wound up scraping the entire front/side panel of the truck against the stone wall on the other side to avoid a collision.

Way to go, dude.


Kordite

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Dec 11 2013 at 10:00am #

It’s not unusual for me to see white Public works trucks on the Eliza Furnace Trail. They are typically getting on the trail under the Birmingham Bridge and then traveling to the end of the trail and the Public Works garage. I’ve complained about this before but those complaints have been dismissed, I am told they are doing authorized work, but the conditions I seem them under makes me think that they are using the trail as a shortcut to get past rush hour backups at 2nd Avenue and Bates Street.

They are always traveling too fast because I know I can crank it up to 25mph on my bike but the trucks are always able to easily pull away.


StuInMcCandless

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Dec 11 2013 at 10:56am #

I’m OK with the battery skateboards if they can only go 11 tops. Most of the inertia will be from the rider’s body, and that isn’t much different from ambient trail speed anyway.

Similarly, I haven’t seen too many Segways on the trail, but don’t have much problem with them being there, either, for much the same reason. Now if they soup them up to go far faster than ambient speeds, that’s something else.


Swalfoort

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Dec 11 2013 at 12:21pm #

Personally, I don’t have a huge issue with cops on motorcyles occasionally riding on the EFT or other trail.

As long as they are considerate, and keep their speed moderate, I appreciate the perception that it makes me safer as a trail user.

Gas/electric motor vehicles are designed to be used on trails only (or primarily) as a mobility assist device. Not just for grins. The problem is, no one really has the authority to ask what the mobility impairment that requires one to use such a device is. So it can be, apparently, that they rider can’t get up Greenfield Avenue to get home under their own power or something.

Otherwise, its more of an ADA issue. Federal funds have gone into most trails. That assures universal accessibility. It a mobility aid is required, it has to be permitted, although each trail can establish limits/parameters.

Electric skateboards? Hmm, that’s a tougher sell. Although it sounds like it would be a lot of fun to try!


JaySherman5000

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Dec 11 2013 at 12:35pm #

Kordite wrote:…I’ve complained about this before but those complaints have been dismissed, I am told they are doing authorized work, but the conditions I seem them under makes me think that they are using the trail as a shortcut to get past rush hour backups at 2nd Avenue and Bates Street.

They are always traveling too fast because I know I can crank it up to 25mph on my bike but the trucks are always able to easily pull away.

Even if they are doing authorized work, the drivers of those vehicles have no right to violate the posted 15 mph speed limit. Keep logging complaints, and make sure you note any identifying numbers, time of day, conditions, etc…. If 311/DPW won’t respond, maybe KDKA will?


edmonds59

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Dec 11 2013 at 1:12pm #

I can’t see golfers using those “golf boards”.
a. It might actually make it “fun”.
b. No place for booze.

I imagine more of a market for some kind of hover suit, like Baron Harkonnen’s.


helen s

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Dec 11 2013 at 5:17pm #

With the skateboard speed limited to 11 mph, they could get passed by a few of the better distance runners in town.

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