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Oblivious PGH Motorists on video

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quizbot

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Apr 11 2012 at 4:27pm #

More exemplary motorist behavior. 4.11.2012, 9:20am, 40th & Liberty. Hard to see in the video, but the guy in the red Dodge Ram 1500 was jabbing away on his cell phone.


erok

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Apr 11 2012 at 5:02pm #

yikes. dude looked like he was going fast. like these threads, but what about making one catch all thread for them all?


Marko82

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Apr 11 2012 at 5:15pm #

Obviously the driver had seen other ambulances not stopping at stop signs or wearing helmets…

Wow that is very scary that this dick was so oblivious that he pulled over AFTER passing the ambulance, verifying that he has no situational awareness at all.

+1 on liking you posting these


quizbot

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Apr 11 2012 at 5:22pm #

Good idea for a catch all thread. Can you rename this thread to something like “Oblivious PGH motorists on video” Erok?


erok

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Apr 11 2012 at 5:40pm #

Done. it keeps the original url tho


quizbot

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Apr 11 2012 at 6:27pm #

cool. thx!


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Apr 11 2012 at 7:32pm #

I saw a silver Tahoe pass my daughter’s school bus this morning.

The bus was stopped to pick up the kiddies. When the driver turned off the blinking red lights, the Tahoe pulls around it in the oncoming lane (just a residential street). The bus starts going, then brakes and hits the horn. The Tahoe paused, then sped around the bus.

All that to get forty feet to the stop sign. Followed by another stop sign a block away. Followed by a light another block away.


Nick D

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Apr 11 2012 at 7:35pm #

This video came up as a related video after yours.


stefb

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Apr 11 2012 at 8:18pm #

What a turd. On a side note, glad to see that someone else uses the word “dude” when upset with bad motorists (and probably just in general, too)


boostuv

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Apr 12 2012 at 2:45am #

If anyone wants to make this stuff public, heres your resource

https://twitter.com/#!/PGHCantDrive


melange396

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Apr 16 2012 at 8:29pm #

last night , with my rei dividends and a 20% coupon, i ordered a contour roam. there has been too much hate surrounding the 4 foot law, and at least “two too many” stories about psychotic drivers (click to view the original chilling tales by nick d and evandiamond) that i want a little more protection. also, i seem to encounter a real idiotic move a week, even if im not actively endangered. all that put together means im probably going to have a few vids on this thread in the future.

i couldnt find a mention of this on the forums, but do you think drivers behave differently when they think theyre being filmed? theres a market for fake cctv cameras out there, with the idea that they might dissuade a potential robber by striking the fear of prosecution into them. then again, getting behind the wheel can turn some of the nicest people into nasty raving lunatics, so who knows…


Pierce

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Apr 16 2012 at 9:18pm #

It could also be renamed “Quizbot swears at motorists”

To be in the continued position of finding an alternative reason the car continued besides apathy, inattentiveness or ignorance…

He may have been focusing on Quizbot, who was in the line of sight of the ambulance and he may have been driving faster than would allow him to safely stop by the time he saw the ambulance pulled out into the intersection

He also seemed to have pulled over after passing the ambulance, allowing it the potential to pass him

Can we have a thread for courteous driver videos too?


Nick D

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Apr 16 2012 at 9:22pm #

I feel like some violent people are much more likely to attack in order to get the camera and destroy the evidence.


melange396

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Apr 16 2012 at 9:50pm #

nick: touche’, i had not thought of that. along those lines, you may never know who is packing heat until its too late… as if the 4000 pound internal combustion weapon wasnt enough


stefb

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Apr 16 2012 at 9:50pm #

I have some clips to add. I just have to edit them.


chemicaldave

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Apr 16 2012 at 10:04pm #

It’s amazing what you’ll find when you turn your helmet cam around, like pickup trucks following you in the bike lane, or fellow cyclists cutting cars off and almost ramming into your rear wheel.


stefb

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Apr 16 2012 at 11:47pm #

I should try that. I may not want to ride again though.


quizbot

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Apr 17 2012 at 5:05am #

@pierce: you have got to be kidding me. The driver was focused on his cell phone conversation. Clearly not me, nor the lit up and loud ambulance pulling into the intersection. Enough with the bad driver apologies.


rsprake

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Apr 17 2012 at 12:59pm #

He pulled over after “HOLY SHIT THERE’S AN AMBULANCE!!!”


Pierce

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Apr 17 2012 at 1:12pm #

Even if the driver was focused on his cell phone conversation, does that make him blind and deaf? What if he was focused on a conversation in the car or with a hands free device? Would you still be condemning him for not stopping as fast as you would like? What about the blue SUV in front of him?

I don’t understand the purpose of continually posting these videos. I guess you’re looking for sympathy or an acknowledgement that drivers do things differently than we’d like. We know that drivers act different than we’d like to.

I get frustrated as both a motorist and a cyclist. I guess what I find troubling from your videos is that you’re coming from a position of judgment. I would find it extremely frustrating to come from the position of “this person is an idiot” every time I see someone do something I would do differently.

Furthermore, if that’s your default position, when you actually have a chance to talk to somebody and communicate why you’re upset, from what I’ve seen so far, you yell at them and an opportunity to get your point across is lost. This also may create additional animosity between the driver and other cyclists in future, which then somebody else has to work out with the person later.

Did you notice that the time between when the car could have slammed on his brakes and stopped and when he passed the ambulance was three or four seconds? The ambulance would have to wait those seconds anyways until the vehicle was stopped.


scott

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Apr 17 2012 at 1:25pm #

I’m trying to find out what radar gun they’re using in this video from Chicago. Would be pretty great to recreate this locally.

http://www.activetrans.org/blog/rburke/video-captures-excessive-speeding-chicago


rsprake

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Apr 17 2012 at 1:43pm #

I don’t think the driver is doing anything differently other than not paying attention. The ambulance is in the intersection and you can clearly hear the sirens even on the shitty helmet cam’s microphone. Two cars go through the intersection in front of the ambulance and there’s a large gap between them and the truck in question, there was more than enough time for the truck driver to stop and he should have.

Scott, your link is dead.


Steven

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Apr 17 2012 at 2:05pm #

Link works for me.


Anonymous

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Apr 17 2012 at 2:08pm #

@pierce Ambulance is visible at the 2nd second. Guy in SUV crosses intersection at the 8th second. 6 second — this is more than yellow and then red on a traffic light (most of them). 35 mph ~ 55-56 k/h or 15 m/s. If car stops with acceleration -1g (-9.8m/(s*s) it would take 1.53 seconds. Add reaction time 0.2 and mechanics delays — 2 seconds. And it’s leaving us with 4 seconds for a decision. Traveled distance ~ 12 meters or 40 feet. All numbers shows that guy had enough time and distance to stop before intersection as required by the PA vehicle code. The fact that driver stopped after intersection shows that those 4 seconds were used for processing some different kind of information than it is supposed to be used for. No traffic awareness or very limited. 4 seconds at speed 35 mph — 60 meters or 200 feet. And to be behind the steering wheel and to be engage in a serious conversation in the car is bad. I have more 300,000 miles behind me and two my daughters are adults now. So I am speaking of the first had experience. And I don’t like drivers this one.

in regards of BLUE SUV — the right lane has not been block by emergency vehicle and it approached intersection almost simultaneously with ambulance. By my judgement did not have enough time to stop.


melange396

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Apr 17 2012 at 2:30pm #

> “I’m trying to find out what radar gun they’re using in this video from Chicago. Would be pretty great to recreate this locally.”

you could always use the vascar method: mark off a known distance on the road and use a stopwatch to time when a car crosses the beginning and end of that road segment. divide the distance by the time and voila! (or just pre-compute a lookup table to make that easier)


quizbot

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Apr 17 2012 at 2:35pm #

@pierce: Here’s a happy interaction with a motorist that involves no swearing (yesterday morning). Even though the guy rolls 5 feet over the stop line at the intersection, and looks a little iffy as to whether or not he was actually going to proceed, I just wave & say “Thanks man” (driver side window was down). Maybe he took it a little easier on the next cyclist he had to pass heading down Butler St.


asobi

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Apr 17 2012 at 5:09pm #

For anyone that owns a contour helmet cam, where did you buy your helmet mounts? The vented helmet mount runs $20, which seems exorbitant for a piece of plastic and a nylon strap. And it doesn’t even get good reviews.


melange396

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Apr 17 2012 at 9:15pm #

> I just wave & say “Thanks man”

i dont know why i feel the need to do this, but i will very often give a little wave and mouth ‘thank you’ when a driver follows the law and doesnt needlessly endanger my life.


stefb

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Apr 17 2012 at 9:29pm #

Pierce, most people do idiotic things behind the wheel, some people are just idiots. I find it beneficial to see which vehicles may be driven by aggressive or dangerous people on the road. License plates and descriptions are also helpful, but video seems to make it stick better. I enjoy quizbot’s videos. Some people need to be yelled at to get their attention.


ben

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Apr 17 2012 at 10:20pm #

I have to agree with Pierce. I don’t really understand this need to so thoroughly document things that you don’t like, it seems self-righteous to me.


quizbot

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Apr 17 2012 at 10:59pm #

@ben: it’s not just things I don’t like. These are obvious vehicle code infractions. There are lots of things I don’t like that I’m not posting. If you don’t like it, or can’t wrap your head around why I may think there’s a reason to highlight ignorant motorist behaviors, ignore the thread. Pretty simple.


boostuv

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Apr 18 2012 at 2:22am #

How is it self-righteous? If one of these drivers pulls a hit and run a database like this could be very useful. Theres nothing anymore self-righteous about this than video taping any other sort of ass-hatery that occurs on a daily basis.


Pierce

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Apr 18 2012 at 4:07am #

I don’t even agree that they’re “obvious.”

In the last video you were swore at a guy for properly yielding at Friendship park, then yelled at a guy for being confused and trying to pass you when you were yielding and had the right of way, and here you’re swearing at a guy for not yielding.

boostuv, self-righteous: “Piously sure of one’s own righteousness” I’m not into labels, but I think we can agree Quizbot feels pretty strongly he did the right thing (or somebody else did wrong)

Rather than ignore things I don’t like Quizbot, I’m interested in understanding. What is your reason for highlighting “ignorant” motorist behaviors?

I’m all for keeping track of aggressive drivers, but so far we seem to be accumulating drivers breaking minor offensives in unusual circumstances.

Stef, my memory isn’t so good. Knowing that a red pickup might not yield, and a white SUV? may pass me when I’m yielding improperly isn’t useful information in my daily commute.

Yelling at people may get their attention, but it doesn’t effectively express what you’re trying to communicate in my experience. As much as we don’t understand why or what drivers yell at us when they pass us, they don’t understand why or what we’re yelling at them either.

“If one of these drivers pulls a hit and run a database like this could be very useful.” This probably hits upon my greatest concern. To me, this all seems so reactionary. A driver does something we disagree with, we yell at them. A driver kills somebody, we look for video tapes.

I appreciate safe, cautious, and courteous drivers as much as anyone. That’s what we all want right? How are these videos moving us towards that goal?

We already know drivers act in ways that lend themselves to getting in more accidents. Where do we go from there? How do we get people to drive with more caution and concern?

While I can see the cathartic value in crowding around and saying “This guy’s an idiot, look!” I don’t see how it is going to change anything or lead us towards what we really want


HiddenVariable

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Apr 18 2012 at 4:23am #

In the last video you were swore at a guy for properly yielding at Friendship park

i think i was on your side a bit here, but statements like this really undermine your credibility. now, of course, i’m going from memory, but what i recall is someone cutting quizbot off very closely in friendship park, and then pulling over because he wanted to have a discussion about it. i don’t know about you, but i have found all enthusiastic comers to these sorts of conversations to be not only universally hostile, but also the sort of people for whom evangelism is a lost cause.

now, i might agree that posting these sorts of videos is self-righteous. i might also add that i don’t think that’s a bad thing, especially if you know you were right under the circumstances. but what do you accomplish by complaining about it, besides adding to the response count in a thread that you presumably don’t think ought to be read by any and all comers to bike-pgh.org?


Anonymous

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Apr 18 2012 at 6:48am #

I just wave & say “Thanks man” Here’s a happy interaction with a motorist that involves no swearing

@quizbot: More like this!

Every time I see a motorist wait for me to cross an intersection before they turn, I give a ‘thank you’ wave as I roll by. I’m glad to know that you, me, melange396, and others are doing what we can to improve motorist-cyclist relations.

To everyone else here, remember: all it takes is one asshole on a bike running a red light to make us all look like assholes in the eyes of motorists. So fucking stop it already.


cburch

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Apr 18 2012 at 10:18am #

“My name is Pierce and I’m here to pee in your Cheerios.”


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Apr 18 2012 at 10:55am #

FWIW, I agree with Pierce.

Further, to boostuv’s point about cataloguing ass-hattery (great term): if I spent my time recording ass-hattery, it would take ALL my time.

I think this is a valuable discussion.


rsprake

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Apr 18 2012 at 1:47pm #

I think it’s ok to be a little self-righteous, especially in the wake of all the negative feedback to the 4 foot passing law. When you have people who believe that every cyclist breaks the law and that drivers apparently obey it down to the letter, it’s sort of fun to point out just how bad people are at doing it.

Ignore the thread. You’re not going to change quizbot’s mind about posting videos.


Marko82

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Apr 18 2012 at 1:57pm #

Here’s my 2 cents. I like the fact that someone is posting these videos. Not only do they show some of the stupid stuff that goes on out there, but they are good in an educational way. We get to discuss what happened, what could have happened, and strategies to prevent bad outcomes. Don’t forget that there are a lot of people who read this board that may not post on a regular basis. Some of them may be new to riding in general, or new to riding in urban settings. I think by following this thread much insight can be gained on how to stay safe, especially if we guide the discussion toward what options were available to the cyclist/driver/pedestrian in the situation. BTW, I’ve even sent links to friends who don’t bike to show them some of what they’re missing. It may help them become better road users too.


Steven

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Apr 18 2012 at 2:00pm #

+1 Marko82

A video can let you experience a difficult situation and maybe figure out a way to handle it better than the cyclist in the video. It’s much easier to stay cool on Youtube than on the road.

But sure, posting video is mostly about catharsis and commiseration, same as griping to your friends about your co-workers. It’s not going to improve your co-workers, but so what?

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