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Oblivious PGH Motorists on video

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melange396

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Jun 5 2012 at 1:48am #

@quizbot, when you were staring the driver down, did they look back at you at all?


rsprake

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Jun 5 2012 at 1:57am #

Bus driver knew what was up. He was probably behind schedule.


salty

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:03am #

pearmask – yeah, i have some photos like that too :( i don’t think they deserve the courtesy of a blurred plate though. At least they’re not *on* the trail.

FWIW, I had a “conversation” with someone who was doing that on a regular basis last year. It wasn’t exactly a pleasant experience (for either of us, I’m sure) but the guy doesn’t park there anymore.


dmtroyer

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:07am #

That’s dickishness for sure. He hadn’t even fully passed you. I would send a link to the video to Port Authority.


Pierce

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:08am #

@Quizbot

I had the same thing happen to me on Negley today right before Friendship heading towards center

I kind of gave him a WTF? wave as I passed him. The optimist in me says maybe he didn’t realize how fast I was going or how soon he’d have to stop?


salty

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:10am #

quizbot – i’d vote for “dumbass” more than “dick”, and i agree it was dumb of him to do that… at least he didn’t throw in a little hook.


pearmask

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:19am #

Yeah, they weren’t on the trail, and they weren’t actually threatening my physical well-being (parked, empty cars are the best kind). And I was feeling nice. I think I got all the anger out of my system for a while with the guy on Forbes the other day.

I do have a small amount of patience for people who have Car Brain who maybe just don’t realize that a path like that could be a way for people to get somewhere. Since it’s not really marked or anything, I could see how people could think of it like just a sidewalk-y thing to walk through the park. (Not that blocking pedestrian access is awesome either, since that reflects a failure to think about wheelchairs, etc., but that’s another story.) This time I decided to give this person the benefit of the doubt.

Now, if I see the same van parked there again, I might take a different approach…


quizbot

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:37am #

@salty: I was definitely anticipating a hook into the lane. At least he didn’t cut into it.

@melange396: ya, he was looking at me directly while closing the door.


Steven

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:38am #

It’s possible the bus driver didn’t see the folks waiting to board at the time he decided to pass you (or long enough in advance for him to figure out that slowing down would have worked out better).

I think the correct behavior for a bus, in general, is to merge into the rightmost lane, even if it’s a bike lane, when picking up passengers. That keeps his passengers safe from traffic in the bike lane. But that creates its own problems.


dmtroyer

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Jun 5 2012 at 3:41am #

@steven good point on the possibly not seeing the people waiting.


Marko82

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Jun 5 2012 at 3:44am #

I’m not sure about the bus. I can definitely see where it would have been way better for him to slow down thus avoiding the awkwardness of the situation. But he didn’t really do anything illegal either. +1 for not losing your cool and letting the peds cut in front of you to board the bus. I’m really not sure what my reaction would have been – although I’ve had a short fuse for a few weeks. Maybe I need some cookies from the Forbes Ave. thread.


quizbot

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Jun 5 2012 at 3:51am #

@Steven: If merging into a bike lane is OK for a bus, then it is for a car too. I don’t see any special exemptions for transit vehicles in § 3331. Required position and method of turning.

(e) Interference with pedalcycles.–No turn by a driver of a motor vehicle shall interfere with a pedalcycle proceeding straight while operating in accordance with Chapter 35 (relating to special vehicles and pedestrians).

Edit: bike lane or not, grey area for “merging” vs. “turning”.

It’s also somewhat questionable whether or not he gave me 4 feet when overtaking me. I was on the outside of the bike lane (avoiding the door zone) when he passed… if we broke out a tape measure, I’m sure it’s more like 2.5 ft.


melange396

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Jun 5 2012 at 3:59am #

@steven, @dmtroyer: three [seemingly unaffiliated] people waiting at a stop in the morning makes me think its a common place for boarding. unless the bus driver was a total n00b, he should have anticipated that.

on the other hand, if he had slowed down a bit sooner, the people waiting might have been in the bike lane anyway… and quizbot could have been in an uncomfortable situation regardless


Steven

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Jun 5 2012 at 7:13am #

I don’t think 3331 would apply since there’s no turning involved. The law doesn’t seem to consider merging as a type of turning, even though a driver does it by turning the wheel.

But that’s an interesting point. What does the law say about buses and bike lanes?

Not much. 3309 says lanes may be limited to specific uses. I didn’t see anything that would permit a bus to override that. So maybe they’re not allowed into bike lanes after all.

But I’m not sure that’s better. The law says no vehicle may pass a streetcar that’s discharging passengers into your traffic lane (3315b). We’ve got a similar situation now with bike lanes and buses, but there’s no similar law I can find that tells cyclists not to pass a bus that may be discharging passengers right into the bike lane.

@melange396: Maybe the driver could have anticipated there would be passengers, but it’s hard to predict. Even on busy routes, sometimes there’s another bus a minute ahead that picked them all up.

Other cities have buses and bike lanes. Do they handle it any better?

@quizbot: You may want to file a complaint with PAT for the 4-foot rule violation, at least. I’d say the video clearly shows the driver breaking it.


Anonymous

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Jun 5 2012 at 2:18pm #

I’ve had several buses pass me on Fifth ave in Oakland then immediately merge INTO me to pick up passengers. Usually I’m moving with the speed of traffic on Fifth, taking the lane, so they have to change lanes & accelerate to pass me then choose to cut me off. I really don’t understand why they’re in such a hurry to drive around in circles. At least they don’t intentionally run as many red lights as they used to.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jun 5 2012 at 4:27pm #

@quizbot – i’d lean away from “dickish.” It looks like he was caught a bit between a sh*t and a fart. At least he didn’t “right hook” into the lane to cut you off entirely.


quizbot

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Jun 5 2012 at 5:22pm #

@almklm: caught a bit between a sh*t and a fart

Dude sharted!


quizbot

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Jun 6 2012 at 12:29am #

Sent a complaint to PAT about the less than 4 ft pass & asked for an update on how they’re going to handle it.


pearmask

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Jun 6 2012 at 2:41am #

salty: At least they’re not *on* the trail

car on trail

This person’s note contained ZERO smileyfaces


wojty

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Jun 6 2012 at 2:50am #

Some of the new bike lanes have dashed spots where bus stops are. Not sure who initiated that particular design, but seems to imply buses can pull into that space.


rsprake

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Jun 6 2012 at 1:08pm #

pearmask, I like how they pulled over to the side just a little bit. For some reason they understand that parking in the grass is a bad idea, but not parking on a sidewalk in a park.


salty

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Jun 6 2012 at 3:24pm #

they’ve got a TRAILBLAZER though, I guess it was born to do that!


StuInMcCandless

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Jun 6 2012 at 4:20pm #

Leaving about 15″ of asphalt between fender and grass is an invitation for pedal tests. Or at least handprints.


reddan

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Jun 6 2012 at 4:34pm #

Passive-aggressive approach: duct-taping a pillow to the the vehicle with a note saying “I just wanted to make sure your car didn’t get scratched, since you parked so close to the trail entrance..”


pearmask

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Jun 6 2012 at 5:04pm #

Yeah, this was just begging for a pedal test, but there was some kind of sportsball game happening on that field, and I wasn’t 100% confident that I could perform the test anonymously… but man, would it have been satisfying with the huge scratchy metal BMX pedals on my bike.

I’ll stick to passive aggression for now. Now I’m trying to think of something as hilarious as the pillow that would be easier to carry around, lolz


reddan

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Jun 6 2012 at 5:18pm #

@pearmask: cheapie pair of reading glasses from the drug store?

“Here, these glasses might help you see where you’re parking.”


Adam

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Jun 6 2012 at 6:12pm #

I’m so sick of the psycho drivers in town I think I am going to carry a window breaker with me from now on when I ride in town so that if some jackass throws another beer bottle at me or an egg, or tries to run me off the road they can deal with a shattered window on their vehicle.


cburch

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Jun 6 2012 at 11:01pm #

Probably the most off road driving that suv will ever see.


stefb

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Jun 6 2012 at 11:34pm #

I don’t know if shattering a window is the answer.. Scratches and feces aren’t really going to cost a lot of money to deal with.


quizbot

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Jun 7 2012 at 5:01am #

Destruction of property is probably not the best way to get one’s point across in general. Poo, scratches, or otherwise. I mean, it is a bit juvenile, really. I obviously get pissed off too, but taking out my frustration on an inanimate object isn’t going to make me feel any better about things.

Before messing with someone’s car, think about the next 100 cyclists they’re going to encounter on the road and not just oneself. If they figure out that some dick on a bike fucked up their car, they’ll probably have a chip on their shoulder towards all of us. That’s not what any of us want or need.

Yelling at jagoffs directly isn’t much better for PR but at least there is some sort of immediate direct interaction involved. Unlike finding a handful of dog shit under one’s car door handle after being parked in a bike lane all day… the one with the handful of shit may not correlate why they are holding it with anything other than that they are having a bad day. That’s better than them figuring out why and proceeding with a chip on their shoulder, I suppose.


pearmask

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Jun 7 2012 at 5:17am #

(for the record, i do support the use of photos/notes/pillows/etc. to express frustration with and/or gently mock people who park in dumb places, but i do not actually condone the use of poop, BMX pedals, or window breaking thingies)


Anonymous

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Jun 7 2012 at 6:11am #

Was there a chance that a disabled adult or child was attending the sportsgame? If so, that might be the only forgivable reason I could see for actually parking on the path.

Maybe you could carry one of those markers that are meant to write messages on cars (e.g. “Graduated”, “Just Married”, “Bar Mitzvah-ed”, “Passed the Jedi Trials”, and so forth), but you could use it to write “I park like a wanker” (so they think you’re foreign) or “Driver of this vehicle has the herp” or some other non-sequitur.


salty

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Jun 7 2012 at 6:52am #

Doubtful, and even if so there are other people in wheelchairs, etc. that need to get through there too. Pitt has a mobility research lab in Bakery Sq. so it’s more than just a theoretical concern.

Dog poop on the door handle is a good idea. You can also use it to write “nice park job” on the window to avoid confusion.


quizbot

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Aug 5 2012 at 9:33pm #

From Pedal PGH today on Churchview Ave in Carrick around noon. This asshole rode on my step son’s wheel for over a minute solidly blasting his horn. Not a few beeps, fucking LAYING ON IT SOLID. I thought the cam was on but it wasn’t so only caught the tail end of it. There was more. In the vid he says “I’m blowin’ the horn cause I don’t want anybody to get hurt”. WTF. If he doesn’t want anybody to get hurt, why doesn’t he wait to pass safely in accordance with chapter 33 section 3303 of the PA vehicle code? Instead, harass a rider like that trying to force him off the road? I give my kid credit for not being intimidated, and the car behind for stopping to ask if we were ok. They knew it wasn’t right. Credit to me too for telling the guy to get the fuck out of there rather than telling him to get the fuck out of the car.

Ran into a cop at the end of Glenwood Bridge after dropping down Glass Run Rd. He advises me to call Zone 5 from home. After we get home, Zone 5 advises me to call Zone 3. Zone 3 advises me to call 911. I call 911. They come take a report. I show them the vid. If anything comes out of it at all it would be a summary harassment offense, but I’m not holding my breath. Anyway, fuck PA plate DXT-7013 guy.

The dick:

PA Plate DXT-7013:


Marko82

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Aug 6 2012 at 12:02am #

@Quizbot, Churchview becomes Brentwood Boro at Sankey street, then becomes Baldwin at Willett Street. Your video is in Baldwin. You may want to make a report to Baldwin police since I have had positive experiences with their patrolmen in the past. Their station is a half mile out on Chuchview past where you turned onto Glass Run.

Sorry your son had to deal with such an asshole driver.


rsprake

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Aug 6 2012 at 12:05am #

Jesus. What a prick. I wonder if he felt bad after he realized he acting like that towards a teenager. Not as if there was anywhere for you to even go.


quizbot

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Aug 6 2012 at 12:19am #

Thanks Marko. This was between Andrade St and Mellott Rd / Glass Run, 3000 block of Churchview. Is that Baldwin?


Marko82

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Aug 6 2012 at 12:35am #

Yes, I believe that is Baldwin. Most of the traffic on this street is local, esp on a Sunday, so it’s most likely an area resident only a few blocks from home. So maybe the police may have already “met” this gentleman before. I hope you get good results.


quizbot

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Aug 6 2012 at 4:14am #

Maybe I should let it slide. The driver was probably just trying to get his box of Dunkin Donuts back home while they were still fresh.


stefb

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Aug 6 2012 at 9:01am #

Donut connection donuts. I was glad to be riding with marko through sections in that area. I would not have taken the lane. Probably would have gotten buzzed. I hope your son swore at that asshole, too.

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