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Penn Avenue project funding approved (outbound shut down)

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quizbot

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May 9 2013 at 1:20am #

Penn Ave outbound to be shut down for 2 years from Main/Penn to Aiken/Penn (Upper Larryville, Bloomfield, Garfield, Friendship).

Despite the soul crushing burden that motorists will be subjected to, I’m hopeful that this will bring general ped/cycling improvements in that corridor.

Does anyone know what the plan is?


buffalo buffalo

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May 9 2013 at 7:05am #

Interesting they’re saying Main to Aiken–phase I was originally only supposed to be Mathilda to Evaline this time.

http://bloomfield-garfield.org/penn-ave/penn-ave-reconstruction/

LR Kimball are the engineers:

http://www.lrkimball.com/penn-avenue.aspx

From the latest BGC Bulletin (PDF):

The Phase 1 team will hold a final community meeting on Thursday, June 27, at the St. Maria Goretti Activity Center at 114 N. Atlantic Ave., from 6 to 8 p.m. The chosen contractor, the inspection firm, Pittsburgh Water and Sewer Authority, DPW and Kimball will all have representatives on hand to answer questions about the plans, present the schedule for construction and outline traffic patterns and detours


WillB

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May 9 2013 at 8:11am #

Yeah I was confused about this too. Seems like they are planning to divert traffic far before the actual area of construction. I imagine they’ll still need to let local traffic in, otherwise you’re cutting off access to a very large number of businesses.


buffalo buffalo

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May 9 2013 at 8:18am #

WillB, traffic inbound will still be open–it’s only outbound that’s detoured.

Now that I think about it, I remember the Main-Liberty-Baum(-Negley) detour. I’d thought the detour was down Friendship, but that’s buses only.


Benzo

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May 9 2013 at 8:56am #

Here’s a link to the PGH federal projects page about this:

http://www.pittsburghfederalprojects.com/index.php/penn-avenue/

It looks like a bike corral is set to go in across from spak bros (Penn and Winbiddle) and next to garfield artworks (Penn & Gross) according to the plan shown on this page.

While it says the official detour starts at main, I hope they don’t close off any streets until at least 45th street, since it will be kind of a mess around childrens hospital if they do.


quizbot

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May 9 2013 at 9:06am #

^ thx for the links bb & benzo


scott

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May 9 2013 at 9:27am #

Phase 1 is only 4 blocks long and will have ped improvements, but no on street bike improvements other than bike corrals.


StuInMcCandless

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May 9 2013 at 11:07am #

I commented on the Trib article that they did not state what the four-block stretch to be worked on will be. I’m still not sure. Matilda to Evaline? (EDIT: The map in @Benzo’s link just above is quite helpful.)

OK, so what would a cyclist use? Penn to the closure, then {Coral/Comrie | Gem | Dearborn} back to Penn? Friendship will be handling a lot of the car traffic, possibly both directions, I think. (Someone please prove me wrong.)


buffalo buffalo

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May 9 2013 at 11:18am #

Stu: This image shows the closed section (blue) and the auto detour (gold): http://www.pittsburghfederalprojects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Penn-Avenue-Reconstruction_Detour-Route.png

Comrie, the alley south of Penn between Edmond and Winebiddle, is a bit rough but not as bad as some. I’d probably take Comrie+Coral both ways, actually.

(Somewhere in the LR Kimball site I posted above, there’s info about possible bike improvements, which includes designating Coral as a primary bike route for “B-level” cyclists–i.e., those who wouldn’t want to ride in Penn Ave traffic–but also marking Penn as a route for “A-level”–which comes off sounding like “hardcore” in the doc–riders. Comrie and Woolslayer are specifically acknowledged as commonly used, then discarded as being too small and too poor condition to be designated routes.)


Elmo

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May 9 2013 at 11:57am #

I rarely take that stretch as the road is so crap. Friendship is always my go-to.


StuInMcCandless

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May 9 2013 at 12:11pm #

How difficult and/or costly would it be to give Comrie/Coral the same treatment that Spring Way got? Can (and would) the city do this on its own?


buffalo buffalo

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May 9 2013 at 12:18pm #

South of Penn is D7 (at least to Aiken; east of that it gets complicated). Might be worth a 311 and/or message to Dowd’s office to ask them to have Comrie repaved before the Penn work starts…


Benzo

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May 9 2013 at 2:49pm #

StuInMcCandless wrote:OK, so what would a cyclist use? Penn to the closure, then {Coral/Comrie | Gem | Dearborn} back to Penn? Friendship will be handling a lot of the car traffic, possibly both directions, I think. (Someone please prove me wrong.)

Coral / Comrie is an ok route. Like spring, there may not be stop signs where you need to stop (mostly on some of the narrow bits of Comrie way). Like spring used to be, it’s a mess of potholes and inconsistent road conditions. If friendship is super busy, it might be the way to go.


Pierce

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May 10 2013 at 5:45pm #

It would be cool if the intersection by Spaks could get those curb outs

It’s regularly hard to cross, there’s no yielding behavior and I think people speed too, given that it’s a busy street with people crossing and getting out of cars regularly

I like using Coral too, but I’m wondering if it’s repaved if cars will start using it as an alternative to Penn; I was thinking maybe bollards could be placed on the ends of each intersection (either outbound or inbound) so it would kind of be closed to through traffic, except for bikes


StuInMcCandless

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May 10 2013 at 7:06pm #

I don’t think you can close Coral/Comrie. It’s a utility street, e.g., garbage trucks. Not to say they can’t do something to discourage its use as a thoroughfare.


buffalo buffalo

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Aug 12 2013 at 8:53pm #

Penn Ave work will finally begin Monday.*

They’ll maintain a lane inbound, but outbound traffic will be diverted Main -> Liberty -> Baum -> Negley (PAT’s bus detour not yet announced, but expected to be Friendship -> Negley). Expect significant added traffic on Friendship and Mossfield/Black as well, since only the section between Mathilda and Evaline will actually be closed. This is expected to last about 16 months, until December 2014.

(* I’d love to link to the City’s announcement directly, rather than to Bloomfield Now’s facebook post with a scan of the letter to residents, but…. it’s empty.)


Marko82

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Dec 30 2014 at 10:09am #

good news = Penn is open
bad news = Penn is open so let the speeding begin

“Penn Avenue to reopen Wednesday to 2-way traffic in Bloomfield-Garfield”

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/12/29/Penn-Avenue-in-Garfield-to-reopen-to-traffic-Wednesday/stories/201412290185

It’s been one way for over a year. It would be nice to see it remain one way with a protected bike lane.


chrishent

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Dec 30 2014 at 11:06am #

I haven’t been in PGH long enough to experience a fully open Penn Ave in Garfield/Lawrenceville, so I ask: how’s the bike riding on it as a 4-lane road? Is it pretty much the same as Penn Ave going through East Liberty, Larimer and Homewood?

In my time here I haven’t had any issues riding up or down the hill to/from Children’s Hospital. I’ve ridden the closed-off section inbound once or twice, but don’t recall having any issues as I took the lane and drivers did not attempt to pass me.


buffalo buffalo

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Dec 30 2014 at 11:12am #

It’s not four lanes — it’s two plus parking — but especially given the brand new pavement, expect it to be more like Butler, a neighborhood commercial street that many drivers treat as a highway, than, say, Ellsworth…


Benzo

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Dec 30 2014 at 12:23pm #

I can’t wait for drivers to realize penn is open again so that friendship ave gets a bit friendlier and less trafficked.


StuInMcCandless

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Dec 30 2014 at 3:38pm #

I’m going to have to try that out. I just don’t get east of 40th or Friendship on Penn all that often. On Butler, though, inward of 40th, I regularly get impatient drivers breathing down my neck.


Pierce

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Dec 30 2014 at 8:52pm #

Penn Ave was a million times better with it being a one way street. I was able to cross from the PNC ATM to Spak brothers without being run over or having to forcefully assert my right to cross the street.

Same thing happened with the end of Ellsworth where the Highland Ave overpass was worked on. When it was closed, you could hang out in front of the Steel City Improv Theater, and now it’s like a freeway with people speeding only to discover a stop sign a couple of hundred feet away.

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