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Sharrow Fail on Millvale

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Benzo

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Dec 12 2011 at 2:48pm #

Was the sharrow on Millvale Ave between baum and center supposed to direct cyclists in to a line of parked cars?


rsprake

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Dec 12 2011 at 2:50pm #

No. Unless they are removing that lane of parking. :)


edmonds59

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Dec 12 2011 at 3:37pm #

Probably just someone making a bid to get the World Observed Trials in the ‘burgh in oh’12.


brian j

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Dec 12 2011 at 3:54pm #

There are so many things wrong with that photo (and I don’t mean the one of the sharrows).


scott

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Dec 12 2011 at 3:55pm #

Those parking spaces are to be removed. When you ask? God only knows.


Benzo

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Dec 12 2011 at 4:24pm #

Glad to hear that scott.


Swalfoort

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Dec 12 2011 at 4:35pm #

Thanks for the photo Benzo! It made me chuckle for a moment at the stupidity of it.


StuInMcCandless

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Dec 12 2011 at 5:02pm #

Benzo’s picture also documents something else I’ve been complaining about for years: The old style, two slabs of cement type of paving the city used to do. On streets like this, that longitudinal crack between the slabs is almost exactly where one’s line of travel should be — just far enough out to avoid doors — so the only real thing to do is to take the lane.

Getting rid of parking will help here, but this is just soooo common around the city (Brighton, Perrysville, Second by the jail, etc.).


scott

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Dec 12 2011 at 5:21pm #

The only real mistake I’ve seen from the contractors putting in the sharrows so far happened at Friendship and Gross. The sharrows are supposed to be in the middle of the curve, but they put them against the curb on Gross, one heading into the back of parked cars.


rice rocket

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Dec 12 2011 at 7:23pm #

Those parking spaces are to be removed. When you ask? God only knows.

I have an angle grinder. Someone lend me their hi-viz vest. :P


erok

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Dec 12 2011 at 7:27pm #


Noah Mustion

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Dec 13 2011 at 12:35am #

^^^what Stu said. Another example that comes to mind is Fort Duquesne Boulevard. Ugh!


Pierce

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Dec 13 2011 at 1:36am #

On the note of sharrows, anybody notice some of them appear to be burnt on Ellsworth?


brian j

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Dec 13 2011 at 2:04am #

There’s something in a different thread, but the plastic is actually melted on the tarmac. I’m too lazy to find the proper link, though.


sloaps

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Dec 13 2011 at 11:46am #

like this?


joeframbach

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Dec 13 2011 at 3:47pm #

Orange jersey in the back. “Team OTB”? I feel like those could sell well.


BradQ

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Dec 13 2011 at 3:58pm #

Team Off The Back, closely related to Team DFL.

The only thing I see wrong with this picture is that the guy riding is in the midst of a dab. Sweet old Ibis 24/20 trials bike though. Might be a 26/20, made those too. I nearly bought one of those 10 years ago or so, and they were kind of ancient then.


erok

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Dec 13 2011 at 4:45pm #

so i guess that was before they completely eliminated the seat? is that a seat post sticking out? youch


StuInMcCandless

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Dec 13 2011 at 4:46pm #

What’s with the watermelon? And I don’t know if that ’70 Pontiac is a junker; looks to be in better shape than most ’70 Pontiacs looked in 1978.


BradQ

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Dec 13 2011 at 4:49pm #

There is a white seat on there.

Up until sometime in the 2000′s you were required to have a seat, even in the “modified” class that this bike falls in. Most bikes sported the tiny plastic kids BMX uni seats until Monty went and just put a little felt pad on the top tube and called it a seat. Eventually both stock and mod classes of bikes had some rule changes, with it especially affecting the stock category.


erok

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Dec 13 2011 at 4:54pm #

gawd, didn’t even notice the white seat – thought that was the background


Eric

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Dec 13 2011 at 8:32pm #

Hard to notice the seat when it is that close to those shorts. They are magnificent.


Benzo

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Apr 19 2012 at 2:11am #

So, I found another sharrow fail at Brighton Rd at Eloise st… it goes right in to the legal parking spaces… Is this the fault of the design or implementation?

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AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Apr 19 2012 at 11:26am #

Looks like the car is parked illegally… (as per the “no parking pictogram” on the curb right next to it).


scott

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Apr 19 2012 at 12:07pm #

According to that sign, the car is parked legally so this is a sharrow fail. Good catch. Please call or write 311 to report it.


Benzo

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Apr 19 2012 at 12:21pm #

Actually, the sharrows are this close to the curb for a couple blocks before Brighton rd turns up the hill. I’ll report to 311.

311 still has no resolution on the first sharrow fail.


Benzo

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Apr 19 2012 at 12:37pm #

311 Response Web Form Submission Receipt

Your submission has been assigned ticket number: 26393

INCIDENT ADDRESS

Brighton Rd Between Eloise St to California Ave

TOPIC OF CONCERN

Other

MESSAGE

Bicycle “Sharrows” are too close to the curb on Brighton Rd beginning at Eloise St and extending till the intersection with California Ave. The sharrows are so close to the curb that legally parked vehicles along this street block the path intended for cyclists. See attached Image.

LATITUDE 40.45465411266823 LONGITUDE -80.01480102539062


Benzo

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Apr 19 2012 at 12:40pm #

Here’s the original 311 ticket (submitted february 9th):

311 Response Web Form Submission Receipt

Your submission has been assigned ticket number: 24383

INCIDENT ADDRESS

S. Millvale Ave between Baum Blvd and Center Ave

TOPIC OF CONCERN

Parking

MESSAGE

Bicycle sharrows were installed on S. Millvale ave between baum blvd and center ave. However, parking meters and parking spaces were not removed, legally parked cars are regularly blocking the expected path of cyclists.

LATITUDE 40.45393161399137 LONGITUDE -79.94757413864136

And the response

311 Response Web Form Reply Notification

The following reply has been made to Ticket ID #24383:

We have notified the appropriate personnel about this issue. The Service Request ID Number associated with this request is 274571.

Thank you for contacting our 311 Response Center!


benstiglitz

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Apr 19 2012 at 1:53pm #

Gross St. between Friendship and Penn was laid down the same way. I left another ticket w/311.


ieverhart

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Apr 19 2012 at 1:55pm #

Do other people feel that the sharrows on Liberty Avenue seem to be perfectly aligned with the pothole zone of crumbling pavement?


Benzo

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Apr 19 2012 at 3:11pm #

This is to acknowledge that the City of Pittsburgh has entered your Service Request.

The Service Request ID is:283516

If you need to contact the city again concerning this issue, please refer to that number.

We will inform you when this request has been completed.

Thank you for allowing the City of Pittsburgh to serve you.

04/19/2012 10:04:01

Summary of Service-Request:

“Bicycle “Sharrows” are too close to the curb on Brighton Rd beginning at Eloise St and extending till the intersection with California Ave. The sharrows are so close to the curb that legally parked vehicles along this street block the path intended for cyclists. “

Location: Brighton Rd Between Eloise St to California Ave


stefb

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Apr 20 2012 at 3:19am #

i noted this also on the north side on brighton when they put them in. i assumed that parking would be removed, as it is supped to be on millvale, but hasn’t been yet.


scott

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Apr 20 2012 at 12:08pm #

It’s acceptable that the sharrows are closer to the curb when there is no parking. It’s only a problem when there’s parking.


Benzo

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Apr 20 2012 at 12:28pm #

By the way, I’m also a bit confused on what the expected cyclist behavior is over the Millvale bridge.

Should you proceed at the same distance from the curb indicated by the sharrows before the bridge, or should you slide over to the right in to the bike lane for the length of the bridge and merge back in to the lane position of the sharrows on the other side of the bridge?


rsprake

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Apr 20 2012 at 1:10pm #

Do what makes you feel safe. Pittsburgh has no idea.


Steven

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Apr 20 2012 at 2:08pm #

There’s some sense in maybe moving to the right when on the bridge. Taking the lane helps you avoid getting hooked, but there are no intersections on the bridge, so that’s not an issue.

But I agree that your safety judgement beats the city’s suggestion.


Benzo

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Apr 20 2012 at 3:36pm #

I just thought it was weird that there would be a sharrow indicating one position and then 25 feet later a bike lane with a different position and switching back 25 feet after the bike lane.

I’m just concerned that it’s not obvious to either cyclists or motorists what to expect here. Mostly though, I’m concerned about the merge back point.


rsprake

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Apr 20 2012 at 5:10pm #

If I am not mistaken it’s supposed to be a bike lane all the way to Baum but Pittsburgh never finished it. Hence the sharrow that directs you into the parked cars.


helen s

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Apr 20 2012 at 5:12pm #

It is my understanding that we as cyclists have no legal obligation to ride on the separate bike lane when provided (due to issues such as cars or road flotsam in the lane)so I would say if you feel more comfortable not moving over and having to wrassle cars for your lane after the bridge, then do so. That being said, I think it would be courteous to move over if there were cars waiting to pass you.


Mick

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Apr 20 2012 at 5:19pm #

I like letting cars pass.

I hate coming up Liberty when the lights turn flashing yellow.

Before that, with he lights working, the drunkards come in waves. I can wait for them to pass and get through Bloomfield with very little wait and have no cars (not even one) pass me on the street.

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