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Tell me where to put bike racks in the Waterfront

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Vannevar

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May 17 2013 at 2:55pm #

Sara, from what I saw today there’s going to be a big increase in bicycles at the Waterfront. If you get any feedback from the Waterfront folks about that, anecdotes or dollar-value, if it’s anything you can share it would be real interesting to hear about.

It would be an interesting case study for other commercial developments. As in, the trail was opened on date X, and we saw effect Y. thanks, V.


Pierce

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May 17 2013 at 3:19pm #

“and he led me across the development behind the stores rather than on the main drag. ” +1

I now go through the Waterfront to and from work, and this is a good route during the day. Later at night, like 11pm, there’s less traffic and it’s not as bad either going on whatever road connects to the bike paths or going through the shopping center


buffalo buffalo

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May 17 2013 at 3:31pm #

(I realise this is a little off topic, but it didn’t seem worth a new thread, either…)

Perhaps this already exists and I don’t know where to look for it–but a public water fountain, especially one big enough to fill a bottle as well as take a drink from, would be fabulous. Was on a ride through there a couple weekends ago and realized my bottle was nearly empty… couldn’t think of where to fill up at, so ended up going to Steak ‘n’ Shake, in part because it was at the end of the development.

Fortunately I was with a friend who could stay outside with the bikes, so it didn’t matter there was nothing to lock to, but I ended up filling our water bottles in the bathroom sink…


Vannevar

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May 17 2013 at 4:21pm #

Bb, the McD soda fountains are self-serve and have a spout for just water.

But a scuttlebutt would be nice, and are generally a sign of civilization.


buffalo buffalo

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May 17 2013 at 5:02pm #

I’d thought the S&S would, too–turns out, if they have a fountain, it’s not self-serve, and there was a big line i didn’t feel like standing in at the take-out counter.

I’d rather drink from a bubbler than a butt, myself…


sarapgh2

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May 29 2013 at 9:04am #

You should see bike racks going up around Waterfront Shopping Center-owned property starting this week. We got about 25 swerve racks and 2 corrals (of 5 racks each) plus two air pumps. Waterfront folks have been amazing!

Let me know where you think we’re still missing some, once they go in. We have a few extra to place where we might have missed something.

Regarding amenities – there is a waterfountain in the roundabout between Unos and TGIFs, it’s just hard to find. It should be on, or will be very soon. It’s getting upgraded soon. Also, there are public bathrooms you can use in the Town Plaza area, just look to the side as you cross the ped bridge that goes over to Mitchells.

Thanks for all your help and suggestions!



jonawebb

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May 29 2013 at 9:12am #

Wow, congratulations on a great job, Sarah! Pumps, too! This makes a huge difference for folks pedaling up from the Southside — just in time for the GAP completion. The Waterfront folks are to be congratulated on their planning ahead.


Marko82

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May 29 2013 at 9:18am #

Great news!

Good to know about the fountain and bathrooms too – I’ve never noticed them before so I’ll have to go exploring the next time I’m down there.


Steven

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May 29 2013 at 11:19am #

Sounds great! Any plans for signs on the trail to direct people to the drinking fountain and bathrooms?


sarapgh2

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May 29 2013 at 12:33pm #

Steven. yes.


rsprake

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May 29 2013 at 2:35pm #

Racks are going in. The Steel Valley Trail Facebook page had photos from Best Buy, Rock Bottom, and a few others with new racks.


Mikhail

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May 29 2013 at 2:49pm #

Sarah,

This is a bump Yale was talking about:

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Mikhail

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May 29 2013 at 2:50pm #

Now some kind of bush went through. :)


Pierce

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May 29 2013 at 3:17pm #

On the note of utopia… they’ve essentially been clear-cutting along the riverside part of the trail, which I think is annoying because it would have been nice for shade/wind barrier

I also don’t know if the road is wide enough, but I’d like the bike trail to extend all the way, rather than cut back behind those condominiums on the limestone path and then kind of dump out into that parking lot kind of weirdly

People are already just sticking to the road, which I do on the way to Braddock, but have been taking the limestone on the way to work


Ahlir

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May 29 2013 at 6:23pm #

@Pierce: You need to get to the service road behind the mall.

From the west, the impatient way is to go straight up the ramp to the bridge intersection, do the pedestrian cross and go down the other side (on the sidewalk). Cross Amity (dodging traffic) and keep going more or less straight. You will eventually end up within sight of the Pump House.

The sensible way is to cut across the road from the Costco entrance to the megaplex parking lot, then continue past Macy’s and across Amity at the traffic lights.

From the east, reverse that last route.

Or, strike a blow for the cycling revolution and simply proceed down the main road, whilst taking the lane. Have some snappy retorts available. (No, I haven’t done this.)


Impala26

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Jun 2 2013 at 8:56pm #

A bit on an aside, but related to the trail as it goes through the Waterfront:

Are there any plans to re-do the river side of the main pedestrian bridge that basically links the “new” part of the trail with the older limestone portion by the riverside, the part between Mitchell’s Fish Market and the former Pittsburgh Burger Co (former Fuddruckers)? The ramp there seems to be very narrow and unnecessarily switchback-y, it’s honestly easier to cut through the vacant parking lot there than to stay on that path.

I was just curious if there were any plans, big or small, for that area. A minor annoyance, but one nonetheless…


Steven

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Jun 3 2013 at 12:07am #

See the previous thread. Hopefully we won’t have to wait too long until the property sells and the trail folks can complete the connection through there, so people won’t be tempted to ride the wheelchair ramp for that pedestrian bridge on their bikes, thinking it’s the trail.


myddrin

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Jun 3 2013 at 7:56am #

I tried to help out a few people who were doing the W.A.R. as I passed by. They were clearly lost and confused, and I saw people going all sorts of ways.

[I wasn't participating but my ride coincided with their paths...as it did with the Arthritis walk...]


Marko82

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Jun 3 2013 at 8:12am #

myddrin wrote:They were clearly lost and confused, and I saw people going all sorts of ways.

A few spray painted arrows on the pavement would solve most of the confusion.


helen s

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Jun 3 2013 at 11:15am #

I am not a fan of public spray painting, be that tags or directions. If you must, at least use chalk, either in the hand or the spray form.

I am disappointed the bicycle marathon spectator directions were not chalk. Now they are just graffitti.


paulheckbert

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Jun 14 2013 at 3:20pm #

Some new bike racks were installed at the Waterfront. I photographed these yesterday:

One of the two bike racks on west side of AMC Loews theater at the Waterfront:

Starbucks:

It’s a good start, but I hope the demand continues to grow and we get many times this many bike racks.


jonawebb

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May 30 2014 at 3:51pm #

BTW, nothing more has happened on this for almost a year now, except that the Waterfront has become a much more popular biking destination.
There is still one solitary rack across the way from the theater — and the rack is bolted to some bricks. It’s gotten wobbly and anyone who really wanted to could take it and any attached bikes if they had a pickup truck.
What we need is at least a ribbon rack near the theater, preferably under one of the overhangs. And a ribbon rack or corral near the Giant Eagle would make sense, too.
What do we have to do to get action on this?


RustyRed

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May 30 2014 at 7:39pm #

Yes, I’ve needed racks over that end of the Waterfront when I go shopping there… just yesterday in fact. I’ve had issues finding places to park at Lowes (The hardware/tools place, not Loews) and the Iggle.

I really enjoy the one outside Barnes and Noble. I use it frequently.


Ahlir

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May 30 2014 at 9:27pm #

I do a fair amount of stop’n shop in Squirrel Hill. I’ve grown to really like the regularly-spaced u-tubes. You can always find a spot, either by doubling up, crossing the street or riding the extra ~30m to the next one.

This would be ideal for the strip-mall part of the Waterfront (i.e. most of it). Particularly busy bits could also get some racks: there’re always plenty of re-purposable parking spaces across the roadway.

Those u-tubes seem relatively cheap. Why can’t we just have those in all our shopping districts? I’m sure merchants would be more that happy to pitch in so that they can benefit from the increased traffic that it will bring to their establishments.
Probably no need for a by-law; though I guess that’s always an option…


jkp1187

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May 31 2014 at 6:59am #

@sarapgh2: I didn’t realize until seeing this thread today that you were behind the appearance of the bike racks at the waterfront. I wondered how that happened. Thank you so much for your efforts!


cowchip

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May 31 2014 at 8:57pm #

I recently sent a E Mail to Costco asking them to place and Maintain a Garbage can for the Trail and also asked for a Air Pump , It would only be a small investment and both would help the Trail alot . I was thinking they could put a sign out that says free air and put the pump by the front or tire garage . Worth a Try ?


LizziMac

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Jun 2 2014 at 7:31am #

Just a few weeks back my partner and I headed to the Waterfront to do some shopping and found the bike parking (although 300% expanded from what it once was) lacking. We considered seeing a movie and locked up to a traffic sign to scope out the situation. There were no less than 8 bikes locked to random signage around the theater lot. A corral would be a good investment. Is there a contact person for the Waterfront or do we contact the theater directly?


jonawebb

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Jun 2 2014 at 8:27am #

I wrote to AMCGuestServices@amctheatres.com about this — there is a form on their web site where you can select the theater to enter a complaint. Not sure if this is the best option though. I’d be happy to hear about others.
It seems to me this is an obvious, easy thing to do. The theater has the space, and a bike rack can’t cost that much compared to the amount they spend on parking, or their daily take.


Benzo

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Jun 2 2014 at 8:34am #

The waterfront also needs some bus shelters. I saw about 10 people waiting in a dusty patch of dirt for a bus on waterfront drive near lowes theater. The opposite stop is across a 4 lane street with no painted crosswalk and no traffic control devices. This isn’t friendly design for transit users.

Transit stops on amity st also have no shelter, but at least there are crosswalks with pedestrian crossing lights.

I’d hate to try and do shopping here and wait for the bus in the rain or snow with no shelters. Especially since this route probably has a lower frequency, with longer wait times.


Pierce

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Jun 2 2014 at 9:09am #

I had the same problem trying to find a rack around Lowes Theater too. Annoying. I also go to that GE probably 2/3 times a week and it is also annoying they don’t have a rack.

All the racks by the stores at least to me seem to be in front of stores that I never shop at like OfficeMax or whatever


erok

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Jun 2 2014 at 10:27am #

I helped sara with this a bit. one thing i learned was that waterfront management only has control over certain stores, the ones that they own. this is where all the racks that you see went in.

the other stores, like giant eagle, Dicks (one of the largest bicycle retailers in the US), Costco, Lowes, etc, are actually owned by the respective companies themselves, so they each need to be reached out to in order to get racks. Waterfront management can’t put bike racks on private property that they don’t own.

I honestly have no clue who the local contacts are for these individual stores, sara might, but it might be worth our time to figure out where to best get racks, and collectively email, call, write letters to those targeted spots.

I’ve actually had some luck using the “submit a comment” on faceless corporate webpages, so it might work.


RustyRed

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Jun 2 2014 at 10:40am #

@erok …just submitted a comment form at Iggle’s website.

http://www.gianteagle.com/Stores/Store/?storeId=6379


jonawebb

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Jun 3 2014 at 1:52pm #

BTW, the complaint form for AMC Theaters is here: https://www.amctheatres.com/contact/feedback

You can enter the Loew’s location and date, and say that you went there to see a movie, but there was no bike parking, which sucked.


LizziMac

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Jun 4 2014 at 7:52am #

Done and done.

Thank you, jonawebb, for pandering to the lazy of us.


RustyRed

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Jun 4 2014 at 9:19am #

Here’s my response from The Iggle:

On Jun 4, 2014 10:10 AM, wrote:
Hi Colleen, Thank you for taking the time to provide us with valuable feedback. I think the idea of a bike rack is a great idea for our customers who use the trail and live close by our store. I was e-mailed your request from our customer care center. I am going to forward it and reach out to my Senior Building Services Leader to see if we can make it happen. Again, thank you for taking the time to reach out to us. Thanks, Mike Store Leader – Giant Eagle # 6379 Homestead, PA


mattjackets

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Jun 4 2014 at 4:34pm #

I went to Costco and a few other places at the Waterfront for the first time in a long time a while ago and was so happy to see real racks around! Thank you for making this happen!


fultonco

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Jun 4 2014 at 9:32pm #

There already are bike racks at the Waterfront. They are in the plaza area, where the Starbucks is located. These were received through a program sponsored by Sustainable Pittsburgh. I have pictures on our FB page, “Safe Streets South Hills Pittsburgh, PA”

Need one in front of Blue Dust :-)


Pierce

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Jun 5 2014 at 1:15pm #

Incidentally, I had a bike light stolen off my bike last night at the Waterfront GE. Granted, first time its happened out of hundreds of times stopping there, but still annoying. Maybe that would be less likely to happen if there was a secure place to lock the bike


JaySherman5000

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Jun 5 2014 at 3:02pm #

I used the AMC Loews feedback page to send an email asking for more bike racks and a bus shelter. I got a form email on Tuesday thanking me for my request and stating that my concerns would be forwarded to their operations team.

@fultonco: Blue Dust already has a couple bike racks in front their door, but installing more wouldn’t hurt.

As for the Starbucks racks, they’re convenient if you’re shopping at that end of the property, but not so if you’re shopping at Lowe’s. Thankfully, someone had racks installed in front of each storefront from Old Navy down to Best Buy. Again, I’m greatful for what’s there, but we could always use more.


Vannevar

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Jun 5 2014 at 8:49pm #

had a curious, first-time-ever experience Thursday at the waterfront. Was riding from PumpHouse to SouthSide. After passing in front of hotels, turned right to go around gas pumps and behind Costco building – which I like to do because it lets me avoid the Three Driveways of Death. The gas station attendant actively waved us out of there, “you have to stay on the trail”.

Anybody else encounter this? I don’t know if it’s a new Costco policy, or one person having a day. Cheers, V

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