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Marko82

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Jun 29 2013 at 10:28am #

What a joke today was – I think the organizers were doped!


edmonds59

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Jun 29 2013 at 1:34pm #

Should I ask, what happened? I missed the end of the stage. Or should I just catch a re-broadcast?


Mikhail

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Jun 29 2013 at 3:11pm #

Better watch it. Organizers are shitheads. They moved away from TT but completely screwed last 6 km. Watch for some turns and concrete barriers and helmets were flying in millimeter of it. But main fiasco — better watch it.


Mikhail

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Jun 29 2013 at 4:12pm #

On a side note I think organizers of big three (Giro de Italia, Tour de Ftrance, Vuelta) care too much about money and nothing else.

This is Giro de Italia tweets in Russian but pictures tells you story without words.


mr marvelous

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Jun 29 2013 at 4:14pm #

Can you believe I’m in yellow?


edmonds59

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Jun 29 2013 at 9:28pm #

Yes ’cause you are the leader.


Vannevar

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Jun 29 2013 at 9:56pm #

This was a day designed to give Cavendish the yellow jersey for a day, paying homage to the Brits and celebrating somebody, anybody other than Lance Armstrong to set their 100th anniversary off on a good footing.

ooops. Armstrong gave an interview, the French press chose their interpretation and translation of it, and the news before the start was “doping is needed to win, and I’m the all-time-champeeeyon”.

Then the officials mangled the bus-vs-barrier, the Kabuki finish didn’t happen, and a simple flat stage left major injuries. Karma.

OTOH, chapeau Mr. Marv., alle! alle!


cburch

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Jun 29 2013 at 10:02pm #

i blame these guys for today’s mayhem:


mr marvelous

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Jun 29 2013 at 10:24pm #

Bob Roll said something interesting, he said in the 90’s and 2000’s about 90% of the riders were suspected for doping, but now 90% are riding clean. Was it really that bad?


salty

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Jun 30 2013 at 12:02am #

Yes, because Lance Armstrong snuck into other teams’ rooms at night and surreptitiously injected the riders with stuff. Sometimes he spiked the punch with it, or put it in the meat. He was like a modern day merry prankster.


sarah_q

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Jun 30 2013 at 7:02am #

do people really think 90% are clean? (sincere question)


mr marvelous

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Jun 30 2013 at 7:59am #

I noticed lots of familiar names in cycling that did extraordinary things in the past are struggling to even keep up now. While others didn’t even make the TDF this year.


gg

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Jun 30 2013 at 1:56pm #

I used to love watching the TdF! LOVE! Since the f’n USADA’s idiot went after Lance and decided upon himself that he didn’t want any winners of those years, I would like to tell the Tour to F OFF. I don’t even know who is in it this year. If the entire field was cheating and I do feel they were back in the day, I think they needed to move forward. In other words, NEVER go backwards and fry a field like that. Let me give an example that might make some sense. Obviously a TON of football players would stacking roids in the 70’s and 80’s and heck people were even dying from it! Yes, DYING! Did they say, hey we are taking those Super Bowl Rings from you and there was NO champion? F NO! They were too smart and also didn’t want cities to go crazy. What did they do? Let that go and LOOK FORWARD. Test more. Know how to test. Did you see Jan U going crazy and saying, those are my wins when I came in second? Nope. He said clearly, “I am happy with my second place finishes”. Has any rider claimed those wins? NOPE! Why? Come on!

There is no TdF. I won’t watch it anymore. F that a-hole that took all those memories from me watching Lance and Jan go at it. I was actually cheering for Jan because he ate pizza and drank beer, but those Tours now don’t exist. Not to mention that MILLIONS of people that got inspiration from Lance having cancer and winning tours. I don’t care if Lance is a total a-hole. People with cancer or going through treatment is WAY bigger than frying Lance.

F the Tour and the USADA!


stefb

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Jun 30 2013 at 2:27pm #

Watching people ride road bikes for 100 miles is for the most boring thing ever. Just tune into the sprints at the end.


pbeaves

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Jun 30 2013 at 8:45pm #

if they want it to be more exciting, they should stop closing the roads.


mr marvelous

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Jun 30 2013 at 8:55pm #

@pbeaves Even with closed roads they still get run over http://youtu.be/pJbHd9ygDag


stefb

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Jun 30 2013 at 9:19pm #

wrong. if they want it to be more exciting, they will test everyone, kick out all of the dopers (if detected.. i guess that is part of the problem), make them all ride old school fixed gear bicycles (no carbon) with the option of flipping the rear wheel for a different gear. no radios, no support staff, no motorized vehicles except the ones with the cameras. no high tech suits or aero this or that. no shaving.


Vannevar

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Jun 30 2013 at 10:32pm #

You could make the case that the radios (and/or the radio-motos with chalkboards) were part of the problem in Stage One.


Marko82

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Jul 3 2013 at 9:25am #

Fan Fail!


Italianblend

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Jul 3 2013 at 2:50pm #

I personally loved the drama of stage 1 with the bus. It was exciting.


Italianblend

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Jul 4 2013 at 7:43pm #

What is up with Peter Sagan? It has looked like his lead outs have been horrible and he hasn’t really competed at stage ends. I know he’s leading the green, but he really isn’t as dominant as last year.


Mikhail

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Jul 9 2013 at 7:59am #

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/07/tour_de_france_100th_edition_p.html


mr marvelous

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Jul 9 2013 at 1:34pm #

Marcel takes stage 10! I’m on a roll.


steevo

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Jul 9 2013 at 1:38pm #

90% is probable. The other 10% was probably rolling. Superstars from
the 80’s that retired, and new people who came up and got spit out.

USADA and tour organizers are two different associations. To not
watch the tour because of what usada did is weird.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AICA_ribonucleotide

Aicar is the new epo. Still cant test for blood manipulation.
People are still microdosing EPO (DELUCA!!!!!!!!!!!)

There are people in their 40’s who have been around forever that havegone on record saying that they have never seen doping. Still in the tour (jens).

Quintana made 5000 euro going over that climb first. This is more
than the average household income in Colombia. Would you
blame him if he tested positive?


WillB

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Jul 9 2013 at 1:57pm #

steevo wrote:Quintana made 5000 euro going over that climb first.

That’s interesting. I haven’t followed very closely this year, but I was watching during that climb, and the commentators never mentioned anything about money as a possible motivation for his push. I feel like there are a lot of moments like this in the Tour that are lost on me.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jul 9 2013 at 3:20pm #

@WillB – I recall from the NBCSN broadcast that they mentioned the $5K bonus for that climb… although I have to say I don’t recall ever hearing of that type of bonus before. I’ve only ever heard of “points” for climbs, etc.

Does anyone know, is this sort of cash bonus a new thing?


Mikhail

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Jul 9 2013 at 3:59pm #

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France#Prizes

http://www.letour.fr/2009/TDF/LIVE/us/reglements.html — 2009
http://www.letour.fr/2011/TDF/COURSE/docs/reglement.pdf — 2011 — page 21
http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2013/us/sporting-stakes-rules.html — 2013
http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2013/docs/TDF13_reglement_BD.pdf — 2-13 — page 20


Italianblend

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Jul 10 2013 at 9:46am #

Can someone answer me this: is there any motivation for any of the sprinters to really do a great time on the time trial? If their main goal is the green jersey or stage wins, shouldn’t they just take it easy on a time trial? It won’t hurt their goals and will save energy for tomorrow.


sew

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Jul 10 2013 at 9:59am #

This is a daily “blog” of the race including tracking of the riders (for those unable to get a better feed). This is for today, you will need to go to the main page for the link tomorrow.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/cycling/livematch/570465.html

This actually shows the speed of the race. I wish they would show speed and grade of the road on TV. Sometimes the speeds are hard to put into perspective.


steevo

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Jul 10 2013 at 11:53am #

Italianblend wrote:Can someone answer me this: is there any motivation for any of the sprinters to really do a great time on the time trial? If their main goal is the green jersey or stage wins, shouldn’t they just take it easy on a time trial? It won’t hurt their goals and will save energy for tomorrow.

Time cut.
36 minute finishing time with a 25% timecut = 9 minutes down is most
you can finish. Worst case scenario would be a flat or cash in the
closing minutes that would steal a minute or two.

Sagan tried today to get some points toward the green jersey.
He killed it, but missed out.


stefb

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Jul 10 2013 at 8:17pm #

Maybe I asked this before, but why isn’t the tour co-ed? Surely there has to be one or two pro women who can hang.. Or not?


steevo

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Jul 11 2013 at 8:07am #

Stef. Look at the chart below. Its all in watts/kilo.
For 1 and 5 mins Im a decent cat1/crap domestic pro. Take those
numbers to the right and I would be like one of the best women on
earth…. Then go to the top of the men and see what they can do..
They are like 25-30% stronger than me, meaning that I probably
couldnt draft off of them and stay in the field.


JaySherman5000

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Jul 11 2013 at 10:23am #

So, at the risk of revealing myself as an uncultured plebian, what is the point of holding a race in which 142 riders are all given the same finishing time? Was the point just to create fatigue before the next non-flat stage? This seems like a lot of rigmarole just to get to the more interesting stages (i.e. the mountainous ones), where riders might actually finish at different times. Personally, I’d rather see another rest day (with an added mountain stage) or time trial than see a glorified group ride.


Mikhail

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Jul 11 2013 at 10:57am #

There are lots of different bicycle competitions. Giro, Tour, and Vuelta are three most famous (in men’s world) TBF being oldest. And among those competitions there are Time Trials, sprints, criteriums.

Just track itself has numerous different events — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_cycling#Race_formats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_bicycle_racing#Road_race_types

This UCI RoadRace calendar for 2013 — http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/races/calendar

Chose event type to all or whatever you want and you see a lot entries per month. Most people just don’t see those races.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_race_classifications

Eurosport translates a lot bicycle races. I wonder if I can buy this channel in US.

Just to answer JaySherman5000 TDF is organized to gain popularity.


Mikhail

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Jul 11 2013 at 11:23am #

We have few local races:

http://www.acaracing.com/sch0713.html

http://www.acaracing.com/sch0813.html

http://www.acaracing.com/sch0913.html

http://www.abraracing.com/Schedule.html

http://polish.slavic.pitt.edu/pmvc/

BMX — http://spbmx.net/ — click on schedule.

curch probably could add in regards of MTB.


steevo

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Jul 11 2013 at 11:49am #

JaySherman5000 wrote:So, at the risk of revealing myself as an uncultured plebian, what is the point of holding a race in which 142 riders are all given the same finishing time? Was the point just to create fatigue before the next non-flat stage? This seems like a lot of rigmarole just to get to the more interesting stages (i.e. the mountainous ones), where riders might actually finish at different times. Personally, I’d rather see another rest day (with an added mountain stage) or time trial than see a glorified group ride.

Because every once in awhile this happens:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2013/jun/30/tour-france-bakelants-video-highlights

Stage 2 of this years tour! So awesome.


Lee

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Jul 11 2013 at 11:58am #

Mikhail wrote:Eurosport translates a lot bicycle races. I wonder if I can buy this channel in US.

I don’t know about “buy”


edmonds59

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Jul 11 2013 at 12:03pm #

Yeah, the Bakelants thing was awesome.
Obviously I’m not privy to the thinking behind the “same time” thing, but for one thing, the Tour has been around since before it would have been practical or even possible to give each rider a time in a tight group of 100 riders. I think it makes it more exciting because a rider needs to do something really dramatic to get away far enough to receive a distinguishing time.
Also, safety. 5 riders riding for a sprint is one thing. Imagine in a large tight group of riders if each rider 70 riders back was pointlessly scrapping for one place better. That would be carnage.


Chris Mayhew

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Jul 11 2013 at 12:15pm #

Jay, part of the point is to showcase other riders. Imagine a Tour that was all TTs. Or all up the side of Ventoux. Gotta give the sprinters their day too. And those flat stages, later in the Tour, will be contested by small breaks formed of guys who are low down on GC and can be given a long leash.


Mikhail

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Jul 11 2013 at 12:20pm #

Lee wrote:
I don’t know about “buy”

Well otherwise I watch races in HD quality just one day later.

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