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Swalfoort

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Dec 11 2012 at 6:44pm #

You guys are an observant lot. The pedestrian that was killed in the Strip this morning was hit by three vehicles. One who hit her and knocked her into the oncoming lane; one who hit her there, and then a third vehicle. The police are looking for that second vehicle. They aren’t even certain the driver knew they hit anything….

The truck is a large box truck, possibly with a refrigeration unit. The truck had a logo on the back of a blond haired woman wearing a white shirt.

This truck was in the Strip, at 14th Street, at about 7 this morning.

Anyone think this truck or this logo sounds familiar? If so, you should probably 311 it, or call PPD.


buffalo buffalo

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Dec 11 2012 at 6:52pm #

The PG story has a (really, really) bad picture of the van: http://d4493f2df0d1b95cfc62-773cd17a86049dd672fafb96394debed.r5.cf2.rackcdn.com/2012/345/823/police-surveillance-strip-van_original.jpg

Appears to be a photograph of a screencap of a surveillance video of a moving vehicle, but it’s better than nothing…


jonawebb

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Dec 11 2012 at 7:24pm #

I straightened out the image, more or less, and adjusted the contrast a little. I still can’t quite make out the text on the side of the truck but maybe someone else will be able to.


HiddenVariable

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Dec 11 2012 at 7:27pm #

the company is flora pack. i rather figured out the flora part, and thought it was pac- something, but the post gazette article was updated before i found the company’s website.


sloaps

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Dec 11 2012 at 7:30pm #

If it ain’t flowers it’s probably produce.


Pierce

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Dec 11 2012 at 7:51pm #

The company was already identified in the PG article…

More interesting:

“Pittsburgh police Assistant Chief Regina McDonald said since June 18, three uniformed police officers patrol three Strip District locations: Smallman and 15th streets, Penn Avenue and 15th Street and Penn Avenue and 14th Street between 7:30 and 9:30 a.m. and again between 4 and 7 p.m.

The officers are paid for by downtown-based Education Management Corporation.

Spokeswoman Jacqueline Muller said between seven and nine of the company’s online higher education employees in the Strip have been hit by cars in that area.

“We put off-duty officers at the crosswalks to ensure the safety of our employees given the history of accidents in that vicinity,” she said.”


Swalfoort

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:13pm #

Wow, they must have updates it just seconds after I posted the inquiry here….

Glad they found the company. The driver can’t be too hard to find then….


HiddenVariable

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:24pm #

yeah, i was pretty sure someone would recognize the logo or be able to make out the company name enough. i was pretty close myself, so it was clear that the collective brainpower of all the people who looked at that image would find the answer. so i checked the article again (probably) about 20 minutes after i read your post, and there it was. they had already tried to contact the driver.


jonawebb

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:40pm #

Too fast… I was hoping our collective intelligence would crack the case. Though, to be fair, it doesn’t sound like it was the truck driver’s fault.

It’s kind of amazing that on a street where people get hit MULTIPLE TIMES PER YEAR the response is to just put out some cops.


Kordite

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:44pm #

What’s worse is that it’s “between seven and nine of the company’s online higher education employees.” Those numbers imply that there are a lot of people who are not employees having issues on that street. And that the employee hardest hit by this seeming carnage have to pay extra to get the police to do something about it is unbelievable.


Pseudacris

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:47pm #

Drivers can do a better job of paying attention to when cars in oncoming traffic are stopped at crosswalks. That’s a clue to stop, too, even if you don’t see the pedestrian right away. Not sure if the first vehicle had stopped yet when the truck hit the victim. This is such an awful story, it makes me sick. This is a major problem along S Braddock Ave, where I live. People have been killed, crosswalks and signage installed, and yet business as usual with the egregious driving.


mr marvelous

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Dec 11 2012 at 8:54pm #

The conflicting stories on the news are confusing, is this a hit and run or did the first car knock the pedestrian under the truck and the driver didn’t know


sloaps

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Dec 11 2012 at 9:23pm #

Incredible. I’ve seen those officers working the 15th street intersection, and wondered why…

Regardless of who hit her first, for multiple moving vehicles to strike this woman at a crosswalk none had her well being in mind.


Swalfoort

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Dec 11 2012 at 9:28pm #

@Kordite – it appears that the woman who was killed DID NOT work for the company that had hired the police pedestrian aides due to incidents involving their employees, so your point is a very good one.


Mick

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Dec 11 2012 at 10:16pm #

I think Lyle (who used to post here a lot) works for Education Management Corporation. I’m just a little angry that a company would have to pay to have police do their jobs.

People would pay attention to crosswalks if there were a few tickets given for not. Of course, not ALL the drivers, but it would make a difference.

At the crosswalk at Bates and Semple, I’ve stood with one foot in the crosswalk, obviously waiting to cross, and had a police car be one of the vehicles that illegally failed to stop.


buffalo buffalo

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Dec 11 2012 at 10:32pm #

Mick, the officers paid by EDMC are off-duty, like the officers who work door at various Carson Street bars. I’ve seen those guys, they’re basically just crossing guards in a different uniform.

As for cruisers failing to stop, come up to Bellefield Ave and you’ll not only see buses and police vehicles vastly exceeding the speed limit, failing to yield, and all sorts of other fun, but an array of school district PD trucks double-parked outside their building. Makes crossing double-fun, lemmetellya.

Marcel, the stories I’ve seen said the truck was the second to hit her–she was hit by the first car hard enough to knock her into the other lane, then run over by the truck, and finally hit by an SUV. The first and last vehicles stopped, but police think the truck driver may not even have known he’d hit someone.

According to WTAE, Flora Pack has confirmed that they had a driver in the area around that time, and the truck involved has been found and impounded—in Erie.


Vannevar

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Dec 11 2012 at 11:03pm #

It’s an indictment of the abdictation of civic responsibility that there’s a known dangerous situation and local government does nothing about it. A local business engages the issue only because their bottom line is affected by loss of knowledge-workers that can’t be easily replaced by a plug-in replacement.

The cops will stand out there for off-budget extra money. Nobody displaces the status quo because they don’t wont to disturb the rice bowl. Money money money.

This poor woman’s body ends up playing pinball in the roadway. It’s uncivilized, barbaric, more 1830 than 2012 was supposed to be.

Also, I was going to start this by saying, Kordite is absolutely right, but I pretty find that Kordite is consistently right and I hate to be repetitive. My compliments to Kordite.


Mick

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Dec 12 2012 at 1:11am #

@ buffalo buffalo Mick, the officers paid by EDMC are off-duty,

Why don’t the ON-duty officers serve and protect?

If more than half of the people at a company near there has been hit by cars in that intersection, don’t you suppose the police might drop the donuts and hang out on the street a bit?


Mick

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Dec 12 2012 at 1:11am #

@ buffalo buffalo Mick, the officers paid by EDMC are off-duty,

Why don’t the ON-duty officers serve and protect?

If more than half of the people at a company near there has been hit by cars in that intersection, don’t you suppose the police might drop the donuts and hang out on the street a bit?


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:02am #

Hm, I am with Kordite, Vannevar, and Mick. Police/city should do something. In RR business victims or families often sue companies if companies failed to provide safe crossing (even there were special devices installed). Not successfully every time, but … Probably family could sue police/city for not providing safe enough crossing or for not enforcing law?


Vannevar

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Dec 12 2012 at 4:21am #

It’s very difficult to beat City Hall in a legal dispute. In general, in any contest, the House (the establishment) wins – they’ve got the momentum, the money, and the apparatchiks who wrote the rules and sycophants currying favor on their side.

If it’s a state road, there’s the issue of sovereign immunity. It’s awful hard to prove a trend of malfeasance.

The city says, Hey there was only a risk during rush hour and the local businesses were providing safety at no cost to the taxpayer, win-win in these tough economic times.

Then you get into the outsourcing of government, and we’ll see more of that I think with special business-govt zones like the southside just enacted – very fuzzy accountability.

The city has an insurance carrier, they’ve figured the cost of a fatality or two every few years as the cost of doing business, nothing personal. The grieving family isn’t going to sustain a long, repeated multi-appeal process.

Of course, the police and the public safety folks work for the mayor, an elected official, and there’s a mayoral campaign shaping up right now.

Dead bicyclists. Slaughtered pedestrians. Hit and runs. Remarkably, we’re Bronze-Friendly, didn’t you hear? You’d think somebody wanting to get the public’s attention would point out the hypocrisy.

There is no call for reform. No politician will stake out the high ground and risk offending the political and financial power centers.

There’s a convergence of corrupt self-interests, of going along to get along, and nobody rocks the boat.

If it’s your sister that gets killed, man that sucks, have a Ride of Silence and they let you put up a ghost bike.

I think about that woman’s body getting slammed between opposite direction cars and that is a savage and violent death. And those poor drivers in cars two and three are victims too, really, and they’re staring into their coffee wondering how do they move on.

It’s a systemic fail. It’s not one pedestrian, one driver, one cop; it’s the system and the economic design of the city. Sorry to rant.

Here we go steelers, here we go…


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 4:36am #

It seems like trashing the police and all the drivers is the current theme, but does anybody truly know the exact circumstances under which this woman unfortunately died? I see people jay-walking EVERYWHERE I GO in this town.

Pedestrians have the right of way, but that doesn’t do you much good when you’re bouncing off of someone’s grill. And lest I forget, I also cyclists breaking the rules, including me. So I think we can probably all learn something from this, besides how evil the cops and city hall are.

Tomorrow may be the day I get nailed but one thing’s for sure, it won’t be because I didn’t do a safety check. Crossing a busy street during peak traffic hours demands a little vigilance, and I wouldn’t doubt for a nanosecond that a 53 y/o woman who is very used to working down there, would step out into the street in front of a vehicle. it happens all the time.

So while it’s sad that a person was killed, don’t compound the negatives by rushing to point a sanctimonious finger and start blaming people for something you don’t even fully know about.

In closing, I’m not saying this to rile anyone up. If the shoe fits, by all means wear the damn thing but if not, simply disregard.


Vannevar

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Dec 12 2012 at 4:44am #

When a bicyclist dies, and “the public” (actually, the miniscule subset that posts their comments on the newspaper websites) says “hey I see them bicyclists they break the rules all the times this doesn’t surprise me”, I tend to think gosh I don’t see how they connect their anecdote to this event

So now a pedestrian gets killed. Is a bicyclist really going to say, I see those 53-year-old downtown women pedestrians all the time, they’re asking for it, I don’t doubt it for a nanosecond?

wow.

(I gave up conflict on the internet for Advent)


cburch

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Dec 12 2012 at 4:45am #

she was in a crosswalk. no one stops for crosswalks in this fucking town and people routinely drive 50mph+ up and down liberty making it very hard to judge if its ever safe to cross all four lanes. i used to nearly get hit daily 15 blocks away. also in a crosswalk, and checking both ways repeatedly. for four years. most of my coworkers went through the same thing daily as well. we tried like hell to get a signal, but even after at least one fatality, several near fatalities, almost monthly major car on car crashes and more than a couple car on bike crashes, the city decided it wasnt needed.

this stretch of road has had repeated car on pedestrian fatalities and nothing has ever been done about speed enforcement or modifying the obviously deficient pedestrian infrastructure.


salty

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Dec 12 2012 at 5:03am #

Val, was that supposed to be satirizing the typical PG commenters or were you being serious?


salty

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Dec 12 2012 at 5:09am #

I’m sick of it too. The other night I punched the rear window of a SUV that nearly ran me over when was crossing 5th, and even that didn’t get the asswipe to stop. I had the right of way, they were turning right. It happens damn near every time you cross the street. Drivers likely don’t even know the right of way rules and if they do they’re in too big of a hurry to follow them.

Start impounding cars and maybe people will start to pay attention. I don’t mean to wait until they hit someone, do it as soon as they show their disregard for basic traffic safety.


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 5:14am #

From a basic logic perspective, I think anyone making such a comment would connect their anecdote, by reviewing past experience and recalling reckless behavior. And thusly, the anecdote.

Getting upset about someone being killed doesn’t bring them back, it doesn’t mean the cops did it, it doesn’t mean it’s a covert war on pedestrians by city hall. But gosh, people sure don’t waste any time shit-talking every possible person there, even when all they know is what was reported in the paper. Let me say again: gosh.

Crosswalks are painted lines, not walls. And anyone who behaves like they are is in for certain disappointment, or like this unfortunate woman, will be scheduled for the big Dirt Nap. Natural selection is an ongoing process; it never sleeps.

So really, histrionic behavior in regard to this scenario accomplishes nothing. You can get all huffy if you want, but she’s still dead. And while I didn’t say she deserved to die or anything like that, I AM saying that people all around this city step out in front of cars (and bicyclists!) all the time. Don’t doubt it, even for a nanosecond!


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 5:16am #

salty, you can believe I meant every word. And I like your technique of punching windows, as long as you’re ready for the driver to emerge. I wear those gloves with the armored knuckles, just so I don’t hurt my hand.


salty

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Dec 12 2012 at 7:28am #

Yeah, you’re right, its better to blame the victim and pretend like there’s no problem. Stupid pedestrians, just eliminate them from the gene pool so they don’t have stupid pedestrian kids too. I mean, Ms. Kollar perhaps only crossed that street safely 13,000 times in the 26 years she worked there so the most logical conclusion is she was an oblivious idiot with a death wish. Good riddance, they should give the SUV driver a medal for teaching her a lesson.


pinky

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Dec 12 2012 at 12:51pm #

I actually drove down there on during Monday’s morning rush hour and visiblity really, really sucks.

I ALWAYS stop for pedestrians in crosswalks, and I realized, driving like a granny, that I hadn’t seen someone on the crosswalk on the opposing traffic side from me.

I also run through there on occasion in reflective gear, and I’ve had a couple of close calls.

The cops help, but I was there earlier than the cops on Monday. Otherwise, the lighting is bad, the sight lines are bad, the typical traffic speed is bad, and the width of the road/parked cars/double parked trucks are bad. I find the lighting especially problematic as most pedestrians going to work aren’t wearing high-visibility clothing (and shouldn’t have to).

Not saying the driver(s) escape culpability. Just saying that it’s a terrible situation on that road, and it really needs to be rethought.


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 1:27pm #

Pinky, thanks for weighing in with some actual, usable information. I think a few of you others (Salty, for one) need to attend some group therapy, or maybe get that hysterectomy you’ve been saving up for. The outpouring of snippy, snide bitchiness is threatening to actually ruin yet another good thread.

In contrast, Pinky actually brought some Logical Perspective to the table. Anyone can read Pinky’s post and walk away knowing something about the area and how the incident unfolded.

It;s not that I don’t appreciate all the coolness exuded by the know-it-all crew, every place needs it self-designated experts and you all fit the bill nicely. Maybe I’ll create a thread just for all the cool kids, so you can all write your useless drivel there and try to impress one another with your pithy, bitchy wit and tempers.

As for Salty and Vannevar, I never blamed anything on the poor lady that got herself dead. In fact I expressly voiced that she wasn’t to blame. But obviously you’re a couple of hometown heroes who are more concerned about drama and revving your man pleaser, than you are with any objective outlook.

Do yourselves a favor and try to get out of Pittsburgh more often, there’s a whole world of people out there with different outlooks than yours. Sometimes their opinions even carry a shred of truth.

Until next time, keep up your pained, righteous indignation. Other Hipsters live for your bullshit!


pinky

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Dec 12 2012 at 1:38pm #

I’m not interested in serving as your example in a flame war.


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 1:53pm #

Too bad, I already used your commentary as an example. And if you’re so snarky you can’t take a compliment, then erase your paragraph just to be spiteful. That will teach me a lesson!


mr marvelous

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Dec 12 2012 at 2:38pm #

@val if i may, i think you misunderstand. From this thread and the other one. Everyone you mentioned are really good people who care about the community and cycling. We may disagree on things but disagreements don’t need to get personal. I know you have a good heart and have good intentions but come and ride with everyone more, you will see how the message board comes together like a family.i respect you andyour opinions just want you to see the good side of the ones you seem to disagree with


salty

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Dec 12 2012 at 2:54pm #

Go troll somewhere else, moron. Your misogynistic bullshit is completely unwelcome here and exposes you as a sad, ignorant individual. I actually felt a little bad for you when cburch called you out on the other thread but I see he’s just a bit more perceptive than I am.


jonawebb

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:05pm #

Back in the day I wrote a filter for the CMU opinion bboard that filtered out messages by name. You didn’t like a person’s opinions, all you had to do was add them to the filter, and they’d be gone (for you).

Things have moved on, and bboards, now message boards, aren’t as programmable as they once were, but we can still achieve the same effect by simply ignoring posts from people who annoy us. Just skip over them. Don’t reply. And the topic will fall to the bottom of the page and disappear.


joeframbach

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:29pm #

Oh that’s really easy with greasemonkey/tampermonkey userscripts. Import jquery, then $(‘.threadauthor:contains(offendingusername)’).closest(‘li’).hide()


mr marvelous

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:32pm #

I would rather that we all just hug it out, and just get along


Marko82

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:40pm #

@val, you sir/madam are an ass. Please be respectful or go away.


Anonymous

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Dec 12 2012 at 3:41pm #

Marvelous, thanks for some positive input. It’s tiresome defending myself in the face of the petty bullshit generated by all the drama queens (Salty & and The Saltines), but if you read my posts you’ll see I’m primarily concerned with talking about bikes and things related to same. Scan the board and read them all, if you don’t believe me.

But like most people, when I’m subjected to petty little minds taking issue where there’s no reason to, and attacking me, I defend myself. Salty, Cburch and Vannevar all three chose to be antagonistic and petty little people, over someone simply voicing their opinion on an issue. I never allow punks to get away with bullying behavior and I’m not going to start now, just to appease these measly few invertebrate cousins of the jellyfish.

My understanding of social media and message boards is that they’re expressly FOR voicing an opinion, EVEN IF it’s a different perspective than what someone else may hold. Furthermore (Salty) I paid my money to be a member, just like you, and I’ll not be going anywhere. In fact I plan to frequent the message boards more often because, in contrast to this experience, I’ve actually met some very cool laid back types that just want to drink beer and ride bikes.

I understand perfectly that you’re all a bunch of hometown homies and I’m just an outlander. I just don’t care. I’ve lived all around the world and this is just one stop. I like to make new friends but when it comes down to it, I have more than I can keep up with now, and I won’t lose any sleep over not being ‘buddies’ with a gang of needy whiners.

As for the whole misogyny thing, well, I guess I’m exposed now. You got me, Salty! I guess I’ll have to get out of bed just a little earlier if I plan to fool the likes of your massive intellect. You and burch must be cut from the same, noble cloth. And if you don’t have anything of substance to voice, then seize upon any possible topic and try to make it an issue, too. Maybe when you and the pep section get bored with remarks about being sexist, you can move on to something even more sensational; I’ll leave that up to your fevered little minds.

So no, Marvelous, things don’t need to get personal, they just happened to this time. And if you’re truly capable of being objective, go back and read the posts, and then tell me who you think got the ball rolling.

Look, I’ve worked and lived with all kinds of nationalities, religions, etc. I’ve met all kinds of people who think they’re mean, up close and personal. I’m not intimidated by a few smalltown losers who think they’re super cool just because they’re from mighty Pittsburgh.

The funny part is, I have been coming here/living here part-time for over two years now. And I have always had nothing but great things to say about this town and its people. And it’s only when I voluntarily join the cycling ‘community’ and interact with it that I am subjected to this kind of behavior. Ironic, isn’t it?

Salty, Vannevar and Burch, you guys keep trying to be the big fish in the small pond, keep puffing your chests out and acting tough. I’m not impressed. I’ve been places and done things you little girlies will only ever read about, and I’ve been insulted by far better than the likes of some Hipster wannabe biker punks and self-righteous tool bags, like you three weak sisters.

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