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Tues, July 19: IMPORTANT public meeting about Forbes Ave lane diet/bike lanes

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wojty

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Sep 28 2011 at 11:42am #

Never mind that the plan addresses both those problems…

The bike lane can still be used by emergency services, imagine that. Or people can still pull into it if an ambulance comes by… Infact, I bet this will actually HELP keep the road more open in these events. (which is rare, ambulances take fifth….)

(side question, do people stop on bikes when emergency vehicles come by? I do, but I haven’t see enough occurrences of this either way to know the ‘trend’)

The master plan calls for setting back sidewalks any time CMU reconstructs something. Will do wonders for jaywalking.

Too bad these people will never be told, listen, and understand that. Keep fighting the good fight.


rsprake

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Sep 28 2011 at 12:18pm #

And the people worried about the traffic have never read a single thing on the topic. I wonder how ambulances handle Penn Ave or any of the 100s of other narrow, one lane streets without a bike lane they can drive in.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Sep 28 2011 at 12:47pm #

You know a public meeting has gone sideways when the “what ifs…” start popping up.


Lou M.

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Sep 28 2011 at 1:53pm #

Do they really think that the City would allow a street to be built without factoring in the need for ambulance access, fire truck access etc? I doubt it. They just don’t like CHANGE is the problem.


erok

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Sep 28 2011 at 4:12pm #

it’s been shown time and time again that bike lanes make it easier for emergency vehicles. what’s easier to get past 4 lanes with cars in them or 2 lanes with cars and 2 lanes with bicycles. it’s just paint, the vehicles can just use the bike lane.

also, it’s silly because forbes is one lane each direction coming from squirrel hill, and there is no carmegeddon. where do all of these cars magically come from? beeler? morewood? they’re not that busy.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Sep 28 2011 at 4:35pm #

Change = Doom. DOOM! I say!

AAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!


erok

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Sep 28 2011 at 6:11pm #

this would make a very good letter to the editor, btw


salty

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Sep 29 2011 at 9:20pm #

Here’s another article: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_758871.html

I was very disappointed to see someone from the Sq. Hill Urban Coalition make a negative statement about the plan, and since I’m a member I wrote them to voice my displeasure. Hopefully it’s not their “official” position. I might have to actually go to one of their meetings and scope it out.

Bob Reppe’s comment about “a highway dividing the campus” is right on, though I dislike how he’s offering the “out” of building a pedestrian bridge. Sure, that might kind-of solve one problem (I doubt it though, when I was at Pitt I usually just crossed the street instead of walking down the the bridge) but doesn’t really address the bigger issues there.


Lou M.

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Jan 24 2012 at 9:26pm #

Well, looks like we lost out:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12024/1205685-100.stm

“One idea the university scrapped after community and campus meetings about the master plan was a proposal to turn two lanes of Forbes Avenue into bike paths. The plan generated some criticism and the school decided to focus instead on ways to improve pedestrian safety on Forbes, the main artery to the campus.”


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jan 24 2012 at 9:35pm #

This is what happens when one side has more bodies in the room for these public meetings. All it took was “some criticism” to negate that plan.

(BTW, no disrespect at all intended towards BP regarding the number of supporters in the room, I have just noticed that in my experience the body count usually carries the day unless there is some clear financial angle.)


erok

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Jan 24 2012 at 9:41pm #

Well, that statement is a bit misleading. below is the text for the next public hearing which i plan to post tomorrow to the blog.

it seems that for logistical reasons, the plan doesn’t include the bike lane, but it does make reference to recommendations (the PCTI study) for what they want to do. I’m going to find out exactly what this means for the project, and what needs to happen.


PUBLIC HEARING SET FOR CARNEGIE MELLON MASTER PLAN

The Pittsburgh Department of City Planning has scheduled the first public hearing regarding Carnegie Mellon’s 2012 Institutional Master Plan. The hearing before the Planning Commission is scheduled for 2PM on Tuesday, February 7th, 2012 at 200 Ross St. The public hearing before the Planning Commission is the next step in the Zoning Code-required approval process for the University’s master plan; the current 2002 Campus Plan will expire in May 2012. As required, the Department posted placards on Tuesday, January 17th and began mailing notices to adjoining property owners on the same day.

The University has conducted dozens of public meetings to garner input on the plan and, as a result of this input, the plan has evolved for the better. Since the original submission of the plan in September 2011, the plan has continued to evolve and it is important that our community, business and institutional partners understand changes that are now part of the master plan being considered by the Planning Commission.

First, the master plan request now does not request any zoning district changes north of Filmore St. The University does still intend to rezone properties south of Filmore St to EMI / Educational Medical Institution; these properties include the Graphic Arts building, the former Exxon station and properties on the south side of Forbes east of S Craig St, but any other properties north of Filmore St will retain their current zoning designation.

Second, references to any proposed lane configuration changes, including the bike lane scenario, to Forbes Ave (as part of the PCTI planning process) are removed from the main body of the master plan text. Understanding that while Forbes Ave is embedded in the Carnegie Mellon campus, it is a state-owned road, and thus any safety enhancement changes proposed would need to be designed, reviewed and implemented under PennDOT jurisdiction. Instead, the PCTI report, which was completed in 2011 and included State, City and Community input, is being included for reference only in the Master Plan appendices. Carnegie Mellon still has serious concerns for pedestrian, bicycle and vehicular safety on Forbes Ave and other City streets within the campus, and so the master plan does include recommendations to assess conditions, and, in working with residents, businesses and institutions, to develop plans to work to improve safety for all means of travel in the Forbes corridor. The University looks forward to working with our partners in the near future to create an environment that serves all sectors while still being safe for residents, students and all others.

Finally, as the university committed to in mid-2011, the plan does not propose any new residential development at Forbes and Margaret Morrison nor does it request to rezone those properties. Carnegie Mellon also has committed that when and if residential development at that corner become desirous, the University will engage in a thorough and inclusive planning process with neighbors and community groups prior to any applications to the City.

The revised Carnegie Mellon 2012 Institutional Master Plan is now available on the University’s website at http://www.cmu.edu/cdfd ; if you have any questions or comments please contact either Bob Reppe at breppe@andrew.cmu.edu or John Hannon at jfhannon@andrew.cmu.edu.

Sincerely,

Bob Reppe

Director of Design

Carnegie Mellon University

breppe@andrew.cmu.edu


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe

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Jan 24 2012 at 9:43pm #

(Apologies. Shame on me for jumping the gun. Shame on the PG for the mis-characterization.)


erok

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Jan 24 2012 at 9:54pm #

no shame needed. who knows, the PG might know something we don’t. I’m not scoring this a loss yet, or a win for that matter. there will still need to be an effort to make sure that it happens and it won’t be easy.


asobi

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Jan 24 2012 at 10:45pm #

Lest we forget: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06103/681818-53.stm


rsprake

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Jan 24 2012 at 10:59pm #

PennDOT is such a wet blanket.


erok

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Jan 25 2012 at 5:27am #

here’s how the trib wrote about it:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_778161.html

CMU wants building start; bike lane shelved

By Bob Bauder, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

About the writer

Bob Bauder is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-765-2312 or via e-mail.

Carnegie Mellon University has postponed plans for a bike lane on Forbes Avenue, but expects construction of a bio-medical research building to start this year, a university official said.

Bob Reppe, CMU’s design director, said the bike lane, which drew opposition from Squirrel Hill residents fearing traffic jams, was put on hold for further discussions about pedestrian safety with the city, neighborhood representatives and the state Department of Transportation.

“Pedestrian safety is paramount to the university,” said Reppe, who updated the City Planning Commission Tuesday on the university’s 10-year expansion plans. “We want to look at (ways for) possible traffic calming on Forbes.”…

Raymond Baum, president of the Squirrel Hill Urban Coalition, said neighbors expressed concern about the bike lane because it would have limited traffic on Forbes through the campus to one lane each way. Baum said the coalition hasn’t taken an official position on the university expansion.

“Carnegie Mellon University is an incredibly important asset to the city of Pittsburgh,” he said. “We have to work together. There’s a lot going on in the neighborhood that we want to talk to them about.”


salty

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Jan 25 2012 at 5:43am #

I’m trying not to be discouraged by this but it’s tough. I would love to hear something directly out of Bob Reppe’s mouth (BTW, he never returned the email I sent to him months ago offering my support).

I think this is one of the best things that could happen in the city. Maybe I’m naive but it really feels to me like it could open the door for a lot of other great bike infrastructure if we could just get something like this done, and that is a perfect place to do it.

I’d love to see the traffic studied but I think the “traffic jam” card is typical FUD. Considering it essentially starts as one lane at Craig (due to turning traffic blocking the left lane) as well as at Margaret Morrison on the other side, I think it really just means “I won’t be able to use the other lane to drive 40 in a 25 zone”.


sloaps

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Jan 25 2012 at 12:10pm #

PennDOT is simply a blunt instrument of federal and state transportation policy.

Has CMU submitted any analysis to PennDOT for review?

All that is needed is to submit a plan and a traffic study that includes bike and pedestrian traffic counts. Should the study prove that the “level of service” of the new forbes/morewood intersection does not negatively impact motor vehicle traffic, then nothing but NIMBY/local politics would derail the new corridor.

PennDOT policy and forms are here. If you want to review the bureaucracy of doing anything on a state road click “Publications” and “Traffic Study Forms”.


Lou M.

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Jan 25 2012 at 3:46pm #

HA!!!

“…which drew opposition from Squirrel Hill residents fearing traffic jams”


ejwme

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Jan 25 2012 at 7:50pm #

fearing traffic jams? Have they driven lately? it’s already jammed. keep turning lanes available and it’s not an issue. Either there’s too few cars on the road to jam things up (most of the day), or there’s too many cars on the road to go fast (rush hour).

BTW, those are the same people who slow down in tunnels and coast slowly through stop signs, I just know it.


rsprake

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Jan 25 2012 at 7:59pm #

I love how planners who study this stuff can be overturned by someone afraid of a traffic jam.


erok

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Jan 25 2012 at 8:06pm #

I personally don’t think anything is overturned. the pcti plan is a plan that cmu references and recommends in the master plan and that they can pursue on it’s own – even with or without being part of the “Master Plan.” I’m guessing that PennDOT doesn’t like people planning their roads without all their homework being done, as well as having the Port Authority coming down on them for wanting to plan for Bus Rapid Transit in the same corridor. It’s complicated, but i don’t think that it’s scrapped, overturned or whatnot.

The PG writer hasn’t gotten back to me yet


erok

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Jan 26 2012 at 3:52pm #

Another thing to consider here is that the point of this next meeting is to get the Planning Commission to approve the new master plan, as the current one is set to expire in May. If the bike lane section was in the main body of the text, and PennDOT (or whoever) took issue with it, then CMU might have trouble passing the plan. If they can pass the plan, and still include the bike lane stuff as an addendum or recommendation, then they get to pass the plan and buy time to do their homework. i do know that they were recently denied federal funding to enact the next steps in the PCTI process, so no doubt this has something to do with it as well


erok

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Jan 26 2012 at 3:56pm #

test


erok

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Jan 26 2012 at 8:27pm #

by the way, if you actually read the plan, which i’m guessing the journalists didn’t, it makes many references to the recommendation to install the bike lanes/road diet

http://www.cmu.edu/cdfd


ejwme

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Jan 26 2012 at 9:32pm #

I am absolutely shocked that the journalists wouldn’t have read the source materials. Astounded. Bewildered. Flummoxed. Mortified…

Or did they find out that by talking negatively about bicycles they’re guaranteed more click traffic (from this board and other cyclists) on their traffic articles?


erok

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Jan 26 2012 at 10:12pm #

considering how easy it is to do Command F: Bicycle

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