Another (near) assault in ELB area
I won’t take credit for it, someone suggested it i am just saying i am down to volunteer/come with!
my personal opinion on most of this situation is that the cops are more afraid to walk on the streets than some of us are. period. they are more “marks” than two wheeled christmas trees rolling down ELB.
pretty sure i heard gunshots while passing through the baum/negley intersection today. you may very well be right, unixd0rk.
i’ve lived here at stanton/negley for 10 years. being a fairly observant person, i notice things.
like i said. i NEVER see the cops rolling down my street at a rate that they might notice something. i’ve NEVER seen cops slow-rolling through the area between stanton and ELB between negley and stanton unless you hear gunshots, and you could even extend that to between ELB and the border of highland park.
like i said, this area is a superhighway through the east end for the police… stanton->meadow->frankstown->etc… not a place to patrol and have some bike cops visible. i saw two bike cops riding on stanton about 5 or 6 years ago.
in addition, i’ve notice no increased police presence since these events started. maybe they are going the undercover route to catch these 8-12 year old “criminal masterminds”?
In some sense, I can understand where Hermit is coming from. When you are alone on the street being assaulted, you have two choices: fight or flight. If you can run, you run but if you can’t I advocate the maximum amount of violence possible until you can get away. It’s just the nature of those interactions. Violence is the only language that will be understood and is absolutely necessary. . . for that moment.
But that sort of things doesn’t actually solve problems. It’s merely necessary for survival. To solve things you have to address unemployment issues. Poverty issues. Community infrastructure issues. Society issues. You have to help people. You have to communicate. You have to understand and empathize. You need to teach and learn. You need to be a neighbor. You need to be a fellow human being.
I am as liberal a person as you’re likely to meet but I understand too that violence, even extreme violence, has it’s place.
i bet hermit wouldn’t survive 3 minutes at ELB and Euclid in broad daylight before scampering off back to the ‘burbs or his gated community or his padded cell.
Remember when people bash on liberals, that the founders of thsi country were all proud to be called liberal.
If the right-wingers wanted to combat the manifold excess of the left winger, they would do that. Instead, they bash on the founders of the country.
Ironically enough, the right-wingers often try to portray liberals as non-patriot. The fact is that you cannot be an patriotic American unless you are liberal.
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”
This is what the right wing opposes. Remember this next time you hear a radio creep rant about socialism and patriotism. Remember this next time a powerful “conservative” tries pass off corporate excess as “basic econimic freedom.”
No cherry tree chopping, wooden teeth wearing, hemp growing, slave owning, no lie telling, land surveying general is gonna tell me liberalism is patriotic. Sounds like an evildoer or a Islamic Extremist to me.
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
— U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
I’m going out tonight on Butler St and it dawned on me that my usual way back up through Morningside and E Lib at night is no longer the best route — I’ll take Liberty I guess.
This whole situation just sucks. It sucks for cyclists, it sucks for these neighborhoods, it just sucks.
Just a warning to anyone that lives or bikes on MT washington. My girlfriend and I were on our way home tonight. We stopped at the Cogos on boggs ave about 2 blocks from our house at about 12:45. She runs in as I stand out front with our bikes. A few seconds later I hear lots of yelling. A group of about 10 kids(white and black) ages 10-14 id say come walking around the corner making alot of noise. Just then a white guy about the age of 20 comes out of the store. At this point the group is right on the edge of the parking lot for the store. They are yelling things to people. The guy that left the store heads across the road after they had passed. They turn around and yell something at him along the lines of “hey fuck you, you white shaggy mother fucker” then turn and yell at me “fuck you on the mtn bike. Then before I knew it about 3 or 4 of them bolted at the guy leaving the store. He ran like hell and I ran into the store and yelled for the cashier to call the police. I ran back out and grabbed my bike and started to head over to help him. At this point I cant see him but i hear him screaming at the top of his lungs for help. When I say screaming I mean screaming. I am now riding to try and get this in view again when I see a car stop up the road where the screams are coming from. Then all the thugs bolted into back yards and ran off. The guy they where going after just kept running and I didn’t even get to talk to him. There was also a few people sitting on their porch that heard the screaming for help and told me they saw him run up to his house and get in while the car that pulled up distracted the group. My gf called the cops and we waited a while but no one ever showed up. One cop drove by so we stopped him but he said he had to leave becuase he was heading to the scene of a hit and run. It is now 3 am and the police haven’t even called to ask if everything was ok. Oh and I should mention that the cashier at the Cogos told us a group of kids beat someone half to death in the parking lot last week. How come this hasn’t been on the news?
Now i have to be scared to walk at night to my neighborhood store. Gotta love it
so, whose dick needs to be sucked before a police officer in this city responds to a goddamn 911 call that doesn’t involve a corpse?
i mean… are they THAT understaffed, or is this what they expect people to tolerate day-to-day? i’m sick of hearing my friends getting ignored when they call the cops as i am hearing from blowhards who think the cops should be called every time i *see* a crime that doesn’t involve me or my (or anybody else’s) property.
maybe i was wrong in assuming that the mention of “bike” got you ignored during a 911 call. maybe they just ignore everything that doesn’t fit into some category? maybe they are responding to “cat in a tree” calls? i dunno… [shrug]
seriously, if they can’t respond or follow up to simple 911 calls efficiently, how is anything going to get better by involving them? seriously.
this just seems appropriate right now
I wonder if that cop was some kind of accident specialist. Bah, cops are never there when you need them
Honestly there was no mention of bikes to the police at all. When my gf called them she just said some kid was getting chased and attacked. Hell when I asked the guy at Cogos to call the police he looked at me like a had a lobster coming out of my ear. Oh and I should mention that a second cop car drove by, as it did I ran into the road and was waving my arms wildly. They drove right by me like I was invisible. Its a damn good thing there wasn’t a group of kids coming after me.
Haha erok, we keep mentioning that song every time something along these lines happen.
In related news, rock throwing middle schoolers are affecting cyclists in Baltimore, MD.
Did anyone catch the news story over the weekend about a young boy who was the victim of an attempted snatch/lure in the immediate vicinity of ELB? It sounded to me like it might have been a luring to an attempted assault or robbery to me, from what I heard. On the order of “hey kid, come here…..I said come here…..” Kid ran home. Supposed lurer was desribed as a teen, perhaps on a bicycle (although I might have made that leap myself….)
dude pack heat! easy fix.
in all seriousness…people like what you describe are best treated like dogs.
that is, ignore them and they’ll lose interest.
It looks like Swalfoort and CMeyers have also been assimilated by the dbackloverborg. I had to make a gravatar to reassert my individuality.
I don’t see any problem with the gravatar images. Maybe you are experiencing some odd cache issue?
Im not sure how to take that “dbackloverborg” was i just insulted or complimented?
nah i haven’t uploaded a picture…my head isn’t actually this round haha
Maybe it’s just me, then, but for some reason, everyone who has not created their own avatar is showing up with dbacklover’s picture instead.
edit: indeed, it was just my browser and not the website. There is no borg. I guess this means I can restore my avatar now.
If you are riding a trail and someone hits you with a rock… you should be leagally allowed to punch them in the face.
Jim, CMeyers, could you please read the rest of the thread first before spewing shit that’s already been discussed?
@joeframbach First off, I NEVER “spew shit”. Any response I make (whether humorous or not) are thought out and have a point.
Secondly, a quick re-browse and search for a few keywords relating to what I said give me the implication that I did say something new.
Lastly, there is NEVER an excuse to be that rude. To anyone. Ever.
On a positive note, there haven’t been any attacks on cyclists on ELB since early summer.
advocating for violence is unacceptable on these forums.
don’t waste your time arguing with me on this.
Ever do a trick for a group of kids? They instantly are your best friends. We need to show these kids we aren’t some ‘rich white people’ or whatever the term being thrown around is.
But [violence] doesn’t actually solve problems. It’s merely necessary for survival. To solve things you have to address unemployment issues. Poverty issues. Community infrastructure issues. Society issues. You have to help people. You have to communicate. You have to understand and empathize. You need to teach and learn. You need to be a neighbor. You need to be a fellow human being.
I believe if you had read the thread, you would have quoted these same posts, and given a rebuttal. Not just a call for violence or maltreatment.
I just re-read cmeyers posts, he jokingly suggested “packing heat,” but it was a joke and he identified it as such. He then said to treat people like that like dogs: “ignore them, and they will go away.”
Nothing incendiary there. joeframbach, you might be barking up the wrong tree there.
However, Jim’s post about punching in the face does seem to reduce the discussion back to the whole “u-lock” concept, and is not on the face of it very constructive. But on the other hand, maybe he should get the benefit of the doubt, and was merely expressing anger at the situation through hyperbole.
I think we ought all remember, this is a very imprecise medium. It is very easy to not only misunderstand others, but also misrepresent ourselves. We could all do with a few grains of salt.
(Apologies for the soap box).
Treat people like dogs? Incenderates me.
People are not dogs.
It’s also bad advice, in my opinion. In both cases.
Ignore a dog and he’ll get your front wheel and you’ll be down. Ignore violent adolescents in East Liberty and you could wake up in the hospital.
It did not strike me as a well thought out post with a valid point. It scares me the cmeyers has the idea that it was.
a) doesn’t sound like you grew up with siblings. ignoring works like a charm 95% of the time.
b) er…what is “incenderates”?
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