Cars hitting buildings

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erok
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man, i feel like i keep hearing about elderly drivers hitting the gas instead of the brake.


ejwme
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well, you’ve got a 50/50 chance, unless like my husband or grandmother, you use one foot for each…


StuInMcCandless
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@ejwme – “NO! YOUR OTHER LEFT FOOT!!”

@erok…more money is spent fixing shit that autos break…

I’d like to see a cost accounting of what it takes to clean up a half-dozen wrecks of various sorts: Car into a pole, car into a building, car into another car. What does it cost, really, for just ONE, and we do this 50 times a day just in metro Pittsburgh.

Add up:

* Fire crews, what’s it cost to send out even one truck on a call?

* Ambulance, the same, even for minimal treatment at the scene.

* Hazmat cleanup if there’s a fuel spill.

* Utility crews who have to replace a pole, transformer, hydrant.

* Road crews who have to replace broken signage, guiderails, etc.

* Insured auto losses.

* Insured property losses.

* Uninsured losses and other costs.

* Emergency health costs.

* Rehab health costs.

* Losses to people whose utility service was disrupted until repairs were made.

…and that’s just off the top of my head. I’m sure I missed some. Each one of these has a cost, and someone is paying for it. I’d be surprised if nobody has totalled this up sometime recently.

Now, on the bike infrastructure side, rattle off some like-to-have projects, and what they cost. I’d be really surprised if, in even one week’s time, the cost of some of once-only, long-duration, bike infrastructure projects is not exceeded by the cleanup from a bunch of wrecks. And this goes on constantly!

Who would have each set of numbers?

Once in hand, we have a tool, nay a weapon, to use in fighting for what we want. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the wrecks was preventable. Put those people on bikes, and we reduce the cost of transportation in general.


Marko82
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But Stu, you’re missing the other side of the equation. If everyone biked and ditched their car, how many people would be out of work? Ambulance drivers, tow truck operators, body shops, doctors & nurses, etc. <Satire>


erok
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in theory, i think what huntington beach, ca did is pretty amazing, making out of towners pay the city for the costs of a crash if it’s determined that it’s their fault.

i wonder how it’s playing out in reality tho.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/18/local/la-me-huntington-beach-20100818


HiddenVariable
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man, i feel like i keep hearing about elderly drivers hitting the gas instead of the brake.

i’ve been suggesting to friends that perhaps we’re seeing an uptick in cars hitting buildings because of the increasing age of the population. this would be especially prevalent in areas like pittsburgh, or buffalo, which had its own crazy rash of car-building collisions last summer (i think something like 19 in two or three weeks, maybe?). they seem to mostly involve older drivers, many of whom hit the gas instead of the brake.


jonawebb
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I think the uptick may be due to the 4-foot rule. Drivers are obviously steering into buildings to avoid cyclists. Buildings need a 4-foot rule.


Anonymous
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mpm
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I don’t remember which thread it was where someone noticed the subtle language differences in referring to “drivers” or “vehicles” depending on whether the vehicle is a car or a bicycle. This is an excellent example of the next level up from a bike-car collision: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/breaking/motorcyclist-bus-collide-in-fairywood-631979/

“A motorcyclist and a Port Authority bus collided in Fairywood Wednesday night, sending the bike into a tree.”

Now the P-G is generally very good at not assigning fault, and that’s the case in this article as well, even though judging from the incident location fault seems to fall entirely on the motorcyclist passing on a double yellow, at an intersection. But the first you hear about a sentient being in that bus is in the last paragraph in the article, whereas the operator of the motorcycle is mentioned in the headline.

The general rule appears to be that the bigger/more common vehicle in the collision is just a force of nature, acting predictably as always, and the collision would not have occurred but for the presence of a rare actor not as commonly seen on the road. Again, not a great example to champion the little guy, but watch for this the next time you read an article about a bike-car collision. Vehicles don’t cause collisions, drivers cause collisions.


Steven
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Look at a bike, and the human on top is obvious. It’s easier to ignore or forget that there’s a person inside the huge metal box.

Instead of “Motorcyclist, bus collide in Fairywood”, the headline could say “Motorcycle, bus collide in Fairywood”. But is this better? Seems like it dehumanizes the rider. Reminding readers that a vulnerable person was hit seems like a good thing.

They could try to write a headline that refers to both the bus driver and the motorcyclist, and how their vehicles collided, but it’s hard to make one nearly as short as what they’ve got.


rsprake
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This guy crashed into the dugout of a baseball field and died.

This guy crashed into the upper floor of a house. You can tell it didn’t take place in the US because the article states that the driver will be charged “for driving without a license and for risking other people’s lives.”


buffalo buffalo
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Oh, look, another one:

A woman lost control of her car which crashed into an enclosed walkway at Pittsburgh International Airport this morning.

What is this world coming to when even airports need helmets?


ejwme
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spooky, I was at the airport this AM, just before that crash. really glad my parents were safe and sound in the terminal by then.


edmonds59
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Not only here. A chap tried to drive his car onto the Metro in Paris. Aah, Paris.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17829438


reddan
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A chap tried to drive his car onto the Metro in Paris

“It’s not fair! People get to take their bikes on the Metro!”


Anonymous
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Admittedly, during my short experience living in Europe, I nearly wandered into those underground garages thinking they were metro stations a few times. They do look weirdly similar sometimes. On the other hand, I try not to wander absentmindedly in a car the way I do on foot…


StuInMcCandless
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I guess since this guy was already on the sidewalk (note curb at lower left), that made it safer to ride a bike in the street at that moment.


churchill5
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Not exactly a building, but some lady pulled off an awesome parking job up in Meadville. Image and video hosting by TinyPic


Willie
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This thread is great, never know what act of stupidity you might get when you click on it. And just when I think I’ve seen it all “BAM” another car ends up in a absurd location


Steven
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I guess the sign said to park at an angle, but didn’t specify the plane of rotation.


cburch
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edmonds59
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Ohmy god.

“Allegheny County police said the driver was rushing to catch her flight and got a flat tire on Interstate 376, but she kept driving on the rim, which damaged her brakes so she couldn’t stop.

“She looked like a young lady, a nice-looking lady who was upset. I don’t know that she’s ever been in a car accident before,” Dennington said. “She was really worried about making her flight, and I think they had to convince her that there was probably no way she was going to make her flight.”

Should go on her permanent record “Too stupid for a drivers license.”


Jacob McCrea
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That car on the wires in Meadville is almost as good as the car on the roof a few pages ago. This thread never ceases to amaze me.

Also, on Brownsville Road in Carrick there is now a hole in St. Joseph’s Cemetary’s wrought iron fence. Not surprisingly, the hole is the same width as a car, and is in the path a car would take if it failed to negotiate the curve. It might make a good Tag-o-Rama tag.


ejwme
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In absurd defense of the Paris Metro driver, the difference between sidewalk and road there is… poorly demarcated and also amorphous. At any given time, someone can leave their house, move a couple posts, and drive over 15 feet of sidewalk with cafe tables (and metro entrances) inches away. My husband called the posts “tourist traps” because people (me) would be looking at maps or architecture or crazy drivers and walk straight into them.

The lady who thought missing a flight was a good reason to destroy her car, then destroy a building and further destroy her car? No. That’s why you’re always nice to the check-in people at the airlines. They have the ability to put you on the next flight. And there’s always a “next flight”. If she was really in that much of a hurry, she should have left earlier. Sigh. What’s that saying about lack of planning and urgency?


Mick
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@Jacob McCrea …a hole in St. Joseph’s Cemetary’s wrought iron fence.

Probably get to the cemetary quickly enough even if you drive safely. Just sayin’.


icemanbb
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So that State Farm (?) commercial where the guy runs his car up the pole, and into the side of a building isn’t really a stretch of the imagination.


stefb
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There was another one today that crashed down a hill and into a building after trying to turn around. A garbage truck smashed into the corner or someone’s house on the south side, too


StuInMcCandless
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There was a story a few years ago here in McCandless of a garbage truck that lost its brakes on a hill. It rolled backward, nailing the side of a house full on, and sending the house’s main beam nine feet out the other side of the house. The house had to be torn down.


rsprake
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buffalo buffalo
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This one’s from Texas: Off-duty border agent charged with DWI in taqueria crash; Border Patrol agent arrested for DWI.

An off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent has been arrested on a DWI charge after he allegedly crashed his personal vehicle into a local taco restaurant.


Mick
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@buffalo buffalo crashed his personal vehicle into a local taco restaurant

Lunch time- my first reaction was “Do they have fish tacos?”


ejwme
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tacos de pescado a la el camino?


buffalo buffalo
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yeah, actually, reading that made me hungry. too bad there aren’t any taco trucks at pitt.


rsprake
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salty
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Yeah, but “the brakes locked up…” that has to be about the stupidest “explanation” I’ve ever heard – and then the reporter repeats it at the end like it’s a fact.

I can almost hear it now – “I hit the brake instead of the gas!”


StuInMcCandless
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[on screen] “…after car clams into…”

Yeah, he was being shellfish.

Really, though. Entirely overlooked in this is the phrase “came around the corner at a high rate of speed”. Where can you legally exceed 30 mph anywhere in Garfield? Aren’t most streets 25?

I always come back to that time when I was passing an accident scene on foot, and overheard the cop asking the driver, “400 other cars went past this spot in the past couple of hours and didn’t run off the road. What makes you so special?”

Also, car full of kids, everyone goes to the hospital. This begs the question, wasn’t everyone belted in? (onus on the parent) Or it was that everyone was belted in, nobody was actually hurt, everyone goes to the hospital to be checked out as a matter of routine? (stupid reporting)

Mindless reporting, anyway. Why is this news? Guaranteed no follow-up will ever get airplay. It’s entertainment, no real news value.


salty
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The driver was kelpless!


rsprake
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What I want to know is if the driver will be charged with anything.

A woman in Atlanta was convicted with “vehicular homicide” because her 4 year old son was hit by a drunk driver. Here is a situation where it’s pretty clear that the driver put their passengers (children) and home owner at risk by driving recklessly.


ejwme
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Ok, I’m having one of those days. My first thought was “are Jon and Odie ok?”

I’ve seen the bruises a seatbelt can result in after a crash, looking at the photo, I’d rush kids to the hospital after that too. Depending on the size of the kids, they may have been at that awkward inbetween car seat, booster seat, regular seat size. Also, I spent most of my childhood sneaking my shoulder belt behind me when my mom wasn’t looking because it rubbed my collarbone funny (those seats are built for people 5’3″ or taller, I swear). I could see a situation where the parent tried like hell to keep the kids safe (other than not going around the bend too fast and hitting a building) and the kids still needed medical attention after that.

That woman’s case in Atlanta is infuriating. I didn’t realize the kid followed his bigger sister – that little girl has got to be hurting. First her little brother dies trying to follow her, then her mother has to fight to stay out of jail.

I do not understand our society’s apathy towards healthy infrastructure.


sloaps
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We’ve had houses, businesses and the occasional ravine, but this one believed he piloted a submarine .

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