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Crush the Commonwealth 2013

This is scheduled for 4/19/13. It is Pittsburgh to Philly this year. I am hoping than the weather will be better than last year's weather.


stefb
2013-01-02 17:27:31

nice, starting line party. :D


2013-01-02 17:47:59

If people other than the riders showed up for a 5am start, I would be impressed. I don't recall any well-wishers from Philly seeing us off last year..


stefb
2013-01-02 18:02:36

thats because philly sucks.


i'll be there. (its my day off anyways.)


2013-01-02 18:22:56

Actually Philly has consistently had riders show up to ride out to Valley Forge.


Pittsburgh, not so much.


eric
2013-01-02 19:59:11

Ooohhh well looks like a party is needed haha.


stefb
2013-01-02 20:22:29

Heck Yeah,


Crush The Furnace Trail!!!!

Downtown to Oakland (then over to Pamela's for eggs).


2013-01-02 20:38:59

^Bacon!


marko82
2013-01-02 21:00:37

Awesome. That means I'll be able to make it to NYC for 5 Boros/Bike Expo NY.


ndromb
2013-01-02 21:03:02

^good, they could use your product at the Bike Expo


pseudacris
2013-01-02 21:27:35

the 5 boros tour/calvin's challenge is always the weekend of my nephew's birthday. I can't make it for the next few years. Once my nephew gets old enough that he just wants to have a party with friends (like my niece now does), i can do it, but I would hate to miss birthdays while he is young (he will be 3.. and man, he grew up fast between thanksgiving and christmas).


anyway, for those of you curious, this is the EASIER way to do it (west to east), so if you wanted to try it, this would be the year. this is my first year going eastbound.


I really really want to do it fixed, but I think that I may end up hurting myself and not be able to do the rando stuff later this year. I have the goal of doing it single speed and may try to shoot to do it in under 40 hours that way.


http://ctcpa.blogspot.com


there is some helpful info there, blogs, etc. Reddan (dan b.) is a very good resource. He emailed me some very very helpful info and a .gpx file last year that i am so grateful for.


stefb
2013-01-02 21:53:27

I found a place to crash and a ride back from Philly so I am fairly committed to giving this a shot this year.


I am in the same boat with the likely regret of not attacking this fixed.


But I do plan to have a freewheel mounted for the flip flop if things get too intense and that might be something to consider.


2013-01-02 22:51:40

Ah I did think of that, but the bike I plan to use has disc brakes.


stefb
2013-01-02 23:21:56

Maybe I'll finally finish the bike I started building for CTC last year.


ndromb
2013-01-02 23:58:36

Okays cool I just am use to seeing you at group rides on your fixed gear.


For me it was a internal debate of lacing a internal gear rear wheel or a flip flop.


I decided to stick with the minimalist route and just go for it.


Tire size is something I have to settle now.


2013-01-03 00:07:10

"I am hoping than the weather will be better than last year's weather."


Don't be too sure. Last year was by far the best weather of the three times I've started this ride.


that-guy
2013-01-03 00:12:20

Has anybody ever really regretted NOT doing

something on a fixed gear?


steevo
2013-01-03 00:17:27

I have. I feel like it has helped me climb hills better. Can't say that it is good for my knees...

But there have been some rides with more downhills than I expected and wished that I had a freewheel.


stefb
2013-01-03 00:33:52

I think that doing ctc on any bike is admirable, But for myself on a personal level I want to push as far as I can go fixed even if a /fail could be the likely outcome.


I was simply putting myself in stef's shoes because she too seems to work hard at consistently improving in fixed riding.


2013-01-03 00:43:29

Just get some sort of puncture resistant tire. The abandoned turnpike really isn't as bad as they say. Just bring a bright light so you know when To stand up over some uneven pavement.


stefb
2013-01-03 01:32:07

Stef did you do the turnpike in daylight? I havent had a chance to do that yet. It sucks at night and conditions vary quite a lot across the width of the 'road'. One lane is worse than the other if I remember correctly. I probably have been choosing the wrong one.


tomh
2013-01-03 02:35:29

ok, so it looks like at the minimum Marko and I are in for the sendoff fiesta.


WE have to represent & have a sendoff ride for these brave souls.


2013-01-03 02:43:46

Yeh we did it in the daylight. I guess it is a different ride through it at night from what people say.


stefb
2013-01-03 03:02:29

Hmm, I'd need a new pair of glasses before attempting this. I am cringing at the idea of wearing contacts for this length of time.


rice-rocket
2013-01-03 03:14:26

Two years ago on the first night, somewhere in the region of Hustontown, we were riding along and I remarked to Dan G. how foggy it was. He said there wasn't any. Um ok. Can't you see this thick fog we're riding in, Dan? Dan repeated - there isn't any fog, Tom. Something wrong with your eyes? Um. yeah. Took out contacts on the side of the road in pitch darkness. Put on glasses. Oh yeah. No fog.


tomh
2013-01-03 03:46:43

optics ftw


2013-01-03 03:48:01

@tomh


I did that for like a year when cycling at night on the red belt back home from work. (Oh wow, way less foggy without additional layer of vapor)


sgtjonson
2013-01-03 04:17:44

I wear glasses on long rides. On a pedal Pittsburgh, one of my contacts got dried out by the wind, I blinked, and the contact popped out of my eye. Good thing it landed on my cheek and I put it back in.


stefb
2013-01-03 10:14:06

Having done the DD, I feel like I now have to at least consider CTC. I'm very 50/50 on this. Pros? Cons?


sarapgh2
2013-01-03 17:58:00

Edit. Double post.


sarapgh2
2013-01-03 17:58:10

pro: its probably a blast to ride.

con: you end up in philly :P


2013-01-03 18:03:52

I would seriously consider showing up for a send off that day. Where will the start be? Some days I am up at 5am anyway.


helen-s
2013-01-03 18:55:10

Pro: If you finish it you'll be the second woman to do so, if I'm not mistaken.

Cons: It's really really hard. Here's Dan's ride report from the 2009 CtC: http://randanneuring.blogspot.com/2009/05/crush-commonwealth-2009.html

BTW when you read Dan's report use this handy translation guide

DAN'S EXPERIENCE YOU WILL EXPERIENCE





Neutral Demanding pace

Not happy Soul-crushing despair

Burst of energy Barely able to get on bike

Annoyed Insanely screaming with disappointment

etc.


jonawebb
2013-01-03 18:58:17

Dan's post definitely reads as waaaay to easy. I will assume my experience would be absolutely nothing like his.


I think a few women have done it, I know Stef finished last year and she wasn't the first.


Have tandems done this?


sarapgh2
2013-01-03 19:35:46

I think a tamdem did it. There have been other women to do it, I found out. Carol, whose last name I forget, did it a few times. She did a bunch of 24 hour mtb races if I am not mistaken.


stefb
2013-01-03 20:20:09

the start is down @ point park.


2013-01-03 21:33:22

I finally pulled the finishing info from the 2 blogs and stuck them in a spread sheet. Still getting the numbers worked out, but it looks like 3 women have finished


2009

Carol

Kelsey (not sure about this one, seems there was a question about when and/or if a small group including Kelsey finished.)


2012

Stef


Did you start in 2011 too Stef?


Will eventually post the complete info on the blog.


eric
2013-01-03 21:45:42

PIRATE TRICK:

If you are approaching a tunnel and know it

well in advance, hold one eye closed for

10 mins prior.

When you get into total darkness switch eyes.

Your eye that had been closed has the

correct pupil size.

People thought that all pirates wore patches

cause when they stormed galleys they had

an eye patch, but they were just for

storming galleys. THey would just switch

eyes.


But yeah, I did this at the end of the

wilderness 101 and it totall worked for

the dark scary tunnel 100 miles in.


steevo
2013-01-03 23:46:49

Yarrrrr, 'tis a good bit o reason thar be.


2013-01-04 00:11:55

Are there any other geezers contemplating riding if only there were a support group of similarly-minded non-XtrEmE kindred riders willing to form a kerass/gaggle? With a target time of somewhere above oh 55 hours? Just wondering. I like the concept, I'd like to ride the event, but I don't see myself doing it in 48 hours.


vannever
2013-01-04 00:43:33

On the level of difficulty, didn't Nick pretty much roll out of bed and do this the year before last?


He doesn't even commute that far(much?)


Or maybe I'm getting that confused with a charity ride


sgtjonson
2013-01-04 01:49:12

I only participated once and that was 2012 when I finished with a craptastic time.


stefb
2013-01-04 02:09:52

Hmm. Anyone who finished last year shouldn't judge their finishing time harshly. About half of us who started didn't make it at all, including yours truly. Craptastic indeed. I will redeem myself this year. That's the plan, anyways.


tomh
2013-01-04 03:59:07

Tom, are you the guy planning the endless torture 1240k?


stefb
2013-01-04 04:08:49

Running it by the coach right now.


boostuv
2013-01-04 04:12:38

No - different Tom.


http://users.rcn.com/trosenbauer/


But I am meeting that other Tom (Tom Rosenbauer) this Saturday. I am doing one of the Eastern PA Rando's 200Ks.


tomh
2013-01-04 12:07:42

BTW, if you're still on the fence about this you could try one or two randonneurs prior to it. http://www.pittsburghrandonneurs.com/ has the calendar. There are 100 and 200K rides before CtC, which is 600K or so.


jonawebb
2013-01-04 13:29:55

I'm planning on doing it again this year if an overseas trip doesn't conflict. It was loads of fun last year until the last day when a thought 6 hr century turned into 10 hours or something. That trail sucks and I'm looking forward to getting it out of the way first.


flys564
2013-01-04 15:35:31

@Pierce in 2011 I think I had about 200 miles under my belt for the entire year. This isn't to say it wasn't hard and I inured my knee which took about 2 months to heal.


ndromb
2013-01-04 16:07:02

Hmm. This might be a game time decision.


sarapgh2
2013-01-04 16:51:56

I'm doing it.


I was already slow, and I haven't ridden much over 30 miles in a couple of months.


This is an open invitation to anyone who wants to put on some slow miles with me now, hopefully to turn into some slightly-less-slow miles as spring approaches and I get back in shape. I don't need to set any records for the fastest CtC time; I'd just like not to set a record for the slowest.


Edit: Oh, and because I really hate myself, I want to attempt to train for the Endless Torture... I mean, Puppies and Kittens 1240k that Stef was talking about. This endeavor will be amusing to watch.


2013-01-04 18:28:19

PS. the turnpike tunnels are the darkest place

that I have ever been. It was like 100%

humidity inside so my light just reflected

back at me.


steevo
2013-01-04 18:36:40

I thought I read somewhere that a group was trying to fix up the abandoned turnpike and maybe even put some lighting inside the tunnels.


stefb
2013-01-04 18:42:53

I'm really starting to question my sanity now, because I'm thinking about doing it, too. I ride way more than Nick, so why not? Maybe my wife can bring me around...


jonawebb
2013-01-04 18:45:09

I don't plan to do this, at least not this year, but I could hold a few long-distance road rides (100+ miles) to help others get geared up for it. Start in the South Side or Waterfront and go south to Fayette County, then turn around and return another way. This would merge nicely with a plan to help a friend prepare for the Wilderness 101.


For anyone on the fence, just do it ... you can't do it when you're dead, you may as well do it now.


jmccrea
2013-01-04 18:53:52

A friend of mine from work and I are planning on doing it. Neither of us has ridden more than 30 miles in the past 3 or 4 months. I can't speak for him but I know I am very out of shape.(the 3 miles of the Icycle ride I got to do before I got a flat even felt hard)


Our serious training needs to start next week.


racedoug
2013-01-04 19:40:09

I rode the abandoned turnpike by myself about three years ago. Very scary. Towards the end of the second tunnel, when it started getting light, I looked away from the ground and hit a huge pothole and bent my back wheel - 10 miles from my car. Luckily, I could still ride if I unhooked my brakes. I really want to go back and ride with more people so I am not as scared and can stop and explore inside, instead of just thinking about getting out!


That being said, unless it was part of a trail going somewhere (is it am I am just ignorant?) I think having no lights in it is what made me want to go-so I would vote for no lights!


I would love to do crush the commonwealth, but I usually start bonking at mile 85-90 on a century, so I don't know how I would do on a ride like this... combined with the fact that I am too soft to ride in most of the cold weather, doesn't look like I would be able to do this.


frisbee
2013-01-05 02:04:50

http://www.extrawheel.com/ -- extra wheel, low rolling resistance almost all load caries extra wheel and not bike frame. Just got a word from a guy on russian bike forum. He used it his 1,000 mile trip. And likes it much more than small wheel trailers.


You still have time to order it for CtC. :)


2013-01-05 17:56:44

Most people don't use or need panniers, much less trailers.


tomh
2013-01-06 18:58:33

DanB seems to bring everything but the kitchen sink, though he fits it all on his couch on wheels.


stefb
2013-01-06 19:02:31

Dan readily admits he has a bad case of kitchensinkitis.


tomh
2013-01-06 19:04:42

On a Dan B. related note...


Dan B, do you think you're going to participate this year? Do you find this direction more appealing?


On a navigational note,


What's the GPS versus cue-sheet breakdown? Do some people go without GPS units? It's hard to fathom when maps were king, despite that being the case when I was younger


sgtjonson
2013-01-07 04:11:29

CTC is so easy for navigation, neither a cue sheet nor a GPS is really required. just follow the signs.


tomh
2013-01-07 04:13:13

The only place i thought a GPS was needed going westbound was finding the place to turn off the bike route to get to the abandoned turnpike. it isn't marked. Now going eastbound, it is probably marked or easy to find in breezewood. I am glad I ran into Ryan in McKeesport, because I think people tended to get lost in the past because of poor signage to the trail. I had never ridden through there.


stefb
2013-01-07 09:39:59

I got pretty lost two years ago and ended up riding an extra 40-some miles. I suggest at least checking out a map before hand and having a detailed cue sheet.


Basically, don't do anything I have done, like get a new bike fit and saddle two days before leaving.


ndromb
2013-01-07 17:41:22

Here is my standard advice to those contemplating CTC for the first time.


In my opinion, the keys to doing CTC are: being comfortable enough on your bike for the time durations involved, keeping your pace reasonable (never going anaerobic is a good rule), keeping up on your hydration and fueling, and not letting the distance intimidate you (just think of it as a series of 50 mile chunks between food/water/rest stops).


Here is a top 11 list of my advice (in no particular order):


1. Learn what foods work for you on the bike, especially on long rides. Stuff that works on fast, 2 hour rides may not be what you can tolerate eating after 20 hours.


2. Learn what ultra-endurance pace feels like and have the discipline to ride at that pace for the majority of the ride. This is a pace that allows you to carry on a conversation without gasping. It's a pace that allows you to breathe through your nose and still be able to get enough air.


3. Ride on time tested gear. Stuff you trust. Don't ride your lightest tires, tightest cassette, delicate wheels that are scared of a little gravel or potholes.


4. Don't make a bunch of changes to your equipment, position on the bike, etc. right before. Everything needs to be tested, proven, and gone through at least a few dry runs first.


5. Figure out how you are going to carry the stuff you will need to see you through reasonably forseeable weather changes and problems with your bike.


6. Figure how you are going to ride at night safely. You need lights with sufficient run time, or the ability to charge them. Ideally you have a backup headlight and backup tailight.


7. Know the course. Navigation on CTC is pretty easy overall due to the route "S" signage, but it doesn't hurt to have some maps with you.


8. Have a plan. You may not stick to the plan exactly in actual practice, but the process of putting it together will give you confidence and will help you make good decisions on your preparations.


9. Have a goal. One that is realistic yet still challenging.


10. Realize that on any ride like this, you will have some ups and downs. The downs will not last forever. When you feel like giving up, realize that it's entirely possible to totally turn things around, and a few hours from now you'll wonder why you ever felt like quitting.


11. Have stuff with you to help you take care of your body. Sunscreen, chamois cream, some basic medicines, toothbrush, vitamins, etc.


tomh
2013-01-08 00:49:43

I rode the CTC route in September 2012, but in 3 days. The pot holes in the Abandoned Turnpike have been filled. I can't say that for the rest of it. There were potholes and crap all over the road.


durishange
2013-01-08 16:57:07

I hate the give away my CTC secrets, but the riding is the easy part.


If you want to prepare yourself, try staying awake for 48 hours straight a couple times.


that-guy
2013-01-08 18:55:10

Hi all, I would like to crush the commonwealth. Never done it before. I will be coming from Allentown. Do I jut show up at 5am? is there any registration? Will maps be given out? should I get there at 4:00 am for sign up? If this is a show up and ride kind of thing, I a fine with that. I Just want to make sure all is well before I drive out. Also as a technical issue: would I do fine with 28c, 25c, or 23c tires on my endurance bike? I don't think I can go any bigger. any comments welcomed.


2013-01-14 18:09:40

I'm pretty sure a mountain knows more about crushing the commonwealth than any of us ever will.

Edit: but assuming you're a bike rider not a mountain, it's a show up and ride thing, as I understand. I think wider tires are useful since part of it is on trails.


jonawebb
2013-01-14 18:11:45

@Hawk Mt: Here's an FAQ I put together a couple years ago, with some basic info. It's worth every cent you paid for it.


Short answer: show up by 5 and ride. No signup, one short speech by ye olde esteemed ride organizer, no maps, no support, no nuthin'. First part of ride is a neutral group ride, to make sure everyone gets to the trail; then the whistle blows and you're on your own.


I'd suggest 28s for tires, and paper or electronic copies of the PA Bike Route S maps and the route from Valley forge to the Liberty Bell. Aside from that, just have a vague idea of where you can stop and find food/water/hotels as necessary, and follow the PA bike route signs.


reddan
2013-01-14 18:31:35

This seems like a silly question, but since we're talking tires: what's the widest size you (where you = anyone that's made this ride before) would use?


My bike (new Novara Randonee) has 32s on it. Would I see a noticable difference if I went down to 28s?


2013-01-14 20:00:41

@Jay: I've done it on tires as thin as 25 and as thick as 35. Personally, I suspect any appreciable difference in speed is more due to tire construction (sidewall thickness and flexibility) than width. (28 is my general go-to, but that's honestly more due to habit than anything based on data.)


That said, if the GAP is wet-n-sloppy, wider is generally better; also, this is rural PA we're talking about, so the road surface is *ahem* less than glassy-smooth.


Short answer: if you'd ride 'em on a local century, they're perfectly well suited to CtC.


reddan
2013-01-14 20:21:53

FWIW I can't tell the difference between a 32 and a 28 on limestone rail-trails... but I do feel that I roll better on the roads with 28s without any loss in comfort (although, it should be noted that I'm also riding an unloaded steel touring bike and I weigh about 190lbs, so the 28s might be rough for someone else? ).


Either way, 28s seem to be my happy spot for century-ish type rides on the 520... regardless of terrain. I keep the pressure at about 90lbs.


I think reddan is right that the tire make matters more than the size (at least when you are comparing a 5mm difference).


Personally, I'd go with 28s for just about any occasion (exceptions being single-track, fire-roads, or carrying 50# of gear).


headloss
2013-01-15 00:26:43

I am probably going to keep 25s on my bike and inflate to 110psi to avoid pinch flats on the abandoned turnpike. I am actually creeped out by the thought of riding that at night alone. I hope to find someone with a similar pace.


stefb
2013-01-15 00:31:09

Stef, I'm slower than you now, but my own desire to not ride that alone should be enough to motivate me to get up to your pace by April, if you want a riding buddy


2013-01-15 01:23:55

@pearmask if I can get a new bike in time I will ride with you.


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 01:25:26

Sure. It also helps to have someone to talk to when delirium sets in.


stefb
2013-01-15 01:25:49

while not bold enough to make the entire run, i'm down for the leg to mckeesport.

then its off for fluffy fluffy pancakes.

#CrushTheJailtrail


2013-01-15 01:40:47

@mr marv


Isn't that Trek Portland a touring bike?


sgtjonson
2013-01-15 01:47:52

It's way to heavy and slow, I would prefer something lighter..... Maybe carbon fiber


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 01:56:44

Carbon fiber schlong.


stefb
2013-01-15 02:27:22

Hahaha that is for Facebook only. They wouldn't understand here.


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 02:36:10

I have a strong desire to bring out my 1980's Schwinn Caliente for the ride and don't have any good excuse not to so far


sgtjonson
2013-01-15 02:52:30

you can borrow my bike mr Marv. i'll even keep the krypto lock velcroed to the handlebars for ya.


2013-01-15 03:29:58

Marv, The Portland is a nice bike. Just take the rack off and throw a lighter wheelset on it. Team Dropped doesn't need carbon: it would be unfair for everyone else if we had it


2013-01-15 16:55:09

I'm with pbeaver. #CrushTheJailtrail or #CrushTheRailtrail :)


sarapgh2
2013-01-15 17:53:29

@pearmask true, I guess I'm just bored with the Portland.


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 18:02:48

I may be joing that CrushtheRailTrail group. Pnacakes sound good too!


helen-s
2013-01-15 18:15:05

"It's way to heavy and slow, I would prefer something lighter..... Maybe carbon fiber"


I used to like you. That's a completely legit bike for such a ride... unless you intend to SPRINT across the entire state?


headloss
2013-01-15 18:17:12

@Drewbacca you are correct it is a completely legit bike for such a ride. I just want another bike. For no other reason other than I always want another bike. Any excuse to get a bike I will use it.


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 18:36:55

focus on the frame design more than the material. unless you plan on getting really serious about racing and only racing, you want a comfort/endurance road bike. much nicer on long rides than a pure racing frame and not enough slower or less responsive for you to even notice.


get either carbon or steel, just not aluminum. high end steel wont be much heavier than mid to high end carbon either. your more likely to notice the components and the wheels than the frame weight anyway. different materials, same purpose, both really nice. for example, you should check out my mr pink sometime.


cburch
2013-01-15 19:41:46

I alway thought aluminum was better than steel. I think I may be wrong.


marvelousm3
2013-01-15 19:47:09

@mrmarvelous... n+1, fair enough. :) *edit to add* steel is generally more comfy and aluminum generally more rigid... generally. There are always exceptions and there are other factors such as tubing diameter, the way the tubes are bent, mixed-alloys, heat treatment, carbon bits and pieces, additional bushings, etc.


@cburch, I agree... but there are some important exceptions (Trek Domane, CDale t1000, for example). I know that you know this, but I figure I'd put that out there.


headloss
2013-01-15 19:48:45

Just add big tires to anything and boom, less road buzz, less pain, etc.


rice-rocket
2013-01-15 20:08:20

@mr marv: If you're suffering from severe upgradeitis, check out the steel Volagi, which is designed specifically for endurance road rides: buy the frameset, transfer parts over from your Portland, and away you go.


That said, I betcha the Portland would work fine for CtC. Like Oprah says, it's not about the bike.


reddan
2013-01-15 20:24:39

"If you're suffering from severe upgradeitis, check out the steel Volagi."


At long last, a steel bike that would look natural with a modern racing aero wheelset! But seriously, that's pretty hot! Thanks for sharing.


"Just add big tires to anything "


Assuming that the big tires fit... yes! :)

Personally, I just want a Cane Creek ThudBuster!


headloss
2013-01-15 20:33:44

I finished the first 3 years or so on a drop-bar converted Schwinn Criss-Cross frame I rescued from the bike shop scrap heap.


You position on the bike trumps frame material, tire size, weight, paint job, lug work, internet recommendations, and what your buddy says.


eric
2013-01-15 20:45:49

yes. fit is EVERYTHING. thats why stef is more comfortable doing long (anything over 100k) rides on her overbuilt, steel, fixed-gear track bike than on her fancy carbon road bike. i keep forgetting to mention that...


cburch
2013-01-15 21:22:40

whoowhoo! Team Pancakes FTW!

#CrushtheRailTrail-2013

(we need t-shirts or atleast spokecards)


2013-01-15 21:56:46

depending on whether or not i've gotten sufficiently fed up to get a new job by then, i may be in for teamPancakes.


epanastrophe
2013-01-16 01:11:58

"Put a lawn chair on the bike..."


Has anyone actually done that? I'm afraid to google search: "Home made recumbent."


headloss
2013-01-16 02:08:31

@Reddan


"@mr marv: If you're suffering from severe upgradeitis, check out the steel Volagi [...]"


Don't you mean Mr. Marv should buy a recumbent?


sgtjonson
2013-01-16 02:31:40

@Pierce: Not at all...I think people should ride whatever bikes on which they feel comfortable.


(Besides, if he starts riding a 'bent, I'll lose my advantage, and I enjoy outriding him far too much for that...)


reddan
2013-01-16 02:51:42

...please direct your attention to Piece of Advice #4.


It think it's sound.


tomh
2013-01-16 02:55:19

4. Don't make a bunch of changes to your equipment, position on the bike, etc. right before. Everything needs to be tested, proven, and gone through at least a few dry runs first.


Yeah, that's solid advice.


reddan
2013-01-16 12:52:53

Hawk Mountain is a CLASSIC climb out east with

a hawk sanctuary on top of it.


steevo
2013-01-16 18:15:40

"Well, if you prefer a hammock"


I'm not sure if that was built for Darth Vader or to encourage the four-foot laws... either way, it's full of win! (at least, until you have to take a corner???)


headloss
2013-01-16 23:34:20

That's what I need for world domination a carbon fiber recumbent!


marvelousm3
2013-01-17 00:57:23

@Mr. Marv: Google for 'M5 Carbon High Racer' or 'Carbent Raven' or 'Velokraft NoCom'


reddan
2013-01-17 01:10:13



rice-rocket
2013-01-17 01:11:03

Holy simul-post, Batman!


reddan
2013-01-17 01:12:48

Now we are cooking. Now if I wasn't terrified to ride a bent.


marvelousm3
2013-01-17 01:21:03

Life's too short to run into things head first.


Obree's prone bike is a collection of failed concepts that HPV racers gave up on in the 70's because people could barely break 40 mph with them. Prone position and linear drive being the two big flaws. And he doesn't even have a finished prototype shell for it yet. Obree failed to study the past before he started his efforts.


tomh
2013-01-17 01:46:16

Just posting to say that I'll be riding this on my aluminum cross bike. The idea of sitting on my cf race fitted bike for 400 miles doesn't sound fun.


boostuv
2013-01-17 14:10:15

C'mon boostuv, it's a race after all! :) And unless you are going to do it in under 24 hours you are not going to sit 400 mile in one chunk. :F


2013-01-17 14:38:04

thanks Marko... I just spit ice-tea all over my screen.


headloss
2013-01-17 19:05:34
is it back?
sohoweet
2013-01-29 11:49:24
Seems to be doing something. I'll let the powers that be make the announcement, though.
stuinmccandless
2013-01-29 12:14:17
Yeah, it's allowing us to post messages, but the forum page does not show me as the most recent poster. It does correctly show how long it has been since the last post. In this case, 22 seconds.
stuinmccandless
2013-01-29 12:15:52
post away.  let's call this the soft launch
erok
2013-01-29 12:23:08
Any hotel recommendations for out of towners?
punchcard
2013-02-05 23:07:08
If price is no object and you want to be close to the start, I'd suggest the Wyndham Grand, downtown. They are bike friendly; you can keep your bike in your room. It's literally across the street from Point State Park. But $250/night, JSYK.
stuinmccandless
2013-02-06 03:10:43
Thinking about this (and it looks like I cannot edit my post after 20 minutes-- used to be an hour), if you're not staying right downtown, then a couple of other things come into play, namely how are you getting TO the hotel, and then what path you might take getting FROM the hotel to the Point. I'm assuming you don't have a car and are not getting dropped off by a private individual. That further assumes you will need to know bus routes and schedules to get from some drop-off point downtown (via Amtrak, Greyhound, Megabus, etc.), or perhaps you flew here, which I guess some might do. All our buses here have bike racks, so if your bike is assembled and ridable, you can bus the bike to the hotel or to some bus stop reasonably close. Also, Google Maps has transit info on them, so if you zoom in enough, you will see the bus stops, and hover over each stop to see the service it has. $2.50 for a bus ride. Then, for the ride from hotel to Point State Park, please consult a native for tips and suggestions, because some spots can be a dicey ride, even at 4:30 a.m. Example: Let's say you try the Days Inn on Banksville Road. First, don't. You cannot get Downtown from here. The only road in leads to a car-only tunnel, and to go any other direction requires an enormous hill climb. (It's very near our famous Canton Avenue.) A more reasonable example, the Best Western at Parkway Center (875 Greentree Road, 15220). At about $100/night, that's a tad easier on the wallet. Zoom in on Google to see that the 38 Greentree bus goes right to the place, and tells you when. OK, that gets you there. Then, in the middle of the night, you check out, hop on the bike, and sail down Greentree Road. That would be a sweet way to start a long trip, a nice long downhill. Wiggle through the West End, but then, a nightmarish snippet of road called West Carson Street. You have to know how to do this. It's not difficult, but tricky. It involves jumping over to the left sidewalk ASAP after coming down a fairly high-car-speed ramp. Even at 4:45 a.m., you gotta know what you're doing. But once you've attained that sidewalk (and I suggest just using the staircase adjacent to the West End Bridge to avoid that whole thing), you're home free, because the sidewalk takes you directly into the starting line at Point State Park. (Also I note that, at this writing, the StreetView image of the West End Circle area is very out of date. That ramp and the staircase are as they were, but the arrangement of lanes and pedestrian access to the steps is very different. And better.)
stuinmccandless
2013-02-06 04:09:16
Boy, that "Edit" link expires quickly. About that StreetView link above. It's labeled 875 Greentree Road (the hotel) but the image is that of the West End Circle ramp to West Carson Street, a couple miles away. You would have to come down this ramp, as mentioned above, and immediately get left, across traffic, to get to the sidewalk closest to the river. Do not try to ride West Carson itself! There is neither sidewalk nor shoulder, and traffic speeds are high. But the river-side sidewalk will take you right up onto the Fort Pitt Bridge over the river and directly into the park. As to the staircase I mentioned, rotate the view to see it. There is now a protected sidewalk to get to the steps from the spot the image is taken from. Anyway, I'm being very long-winded to make the point that each hotel has a getting-to-it story and a getting-from-it story that you need to know before you book a room.
stuinmccandless
2013-02-06 04:24:17
dont forget the holiday inn express on the southside. cheap for a downtown hotel. nice and new. easy trail access to downtown. thick bikes is right down the street if you have a last minute bike need. also check the sheraton station square. not sure how cheap it is, but its right across the river from the point. easy access via the smithfield st bridge or car free access via the ft pitt bridge sidewalk.
cburch
2013-02-06 04:26:10
There is also a hotel at the South Side end of the Hot Metal bridge that is right on the trail. Not sure of price or bike friendlyness though.
marko82
2013-02-06 09:27:42
You could also ask on the forums and see if anybody would let you spend the night. If you live in Philadelphia, you could return the favor next year
sgtjonson
2013-02-06 19:41:18
The hotels near the hot metal bridge are all marriot-affiliated. I have stayed in about 10 marriott hotels with my bike without a problem... Do people usually have an issue with bringing a bike into a hotel room?
frisbee
2013-02-06 20:45:36
When I've travelled by bike, I'm aways way nervous about bringing a greasy, road-dusty chunk of metal and street tires into a hotel room. I usually find places outside to lock my bike (plastic bag over seat).
mick
2013-02-07 11:44:53
So thought i'd post some of this since ppl have inquiries. (ok, i'm sitting here kind of bored.) here is a very small sampling of hotels, there's an additional 30+ within a short distance to the start of the ride. - SpringHill Suites Pittsburgh SouthsideWorks http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pitss-springhill-suites-pittsburgh-southside-works/ 2950 South Water Street · Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15203 USA (ss of Hot metal Bridge - 3+ miles from point park) single night / double occupancy: 4/18 check in - 4/19 checkout $199 - Holiday Inn Express - Pittsburgh-South Side http://www.hiexpress.com/hotels/us/en/pittsburgh/pitxs/hoteldetail?cm_mmc=mdpr-_-GoogleMaps-_-ex-_-pitxs 20 South Tenth St Pittsburgh , Pennsylvania 15203 United States (ss of 10th st. bridge - 2 miles from point park) single night / double occupancy: 4/18 check in - 4/19 checkout $145 - Quality Inn University Center (PA369) http://www.qualityinn.com/hotel-pittsburgh-pennsylvania-PA369?source=gglocaloz 3401 Blvd of the Allies, Pittsburgh, PA, US, 15213 (oakland - 5 miles from point park) single night / double occupancy: 4/18 check in - 4/19 checkout $105 - Hampton Inn & Suites Pittsburgh-Downtown https://secure3.hilton.com/en_US/hp/reservation/book.htm?execution=e1s1 1247 Smallman Street, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 15222, USA (downtown - 1/2 mile from point park) single night / double occupancy: 4/18 check in - 4/19 checkout $199 -Hyatt Place Pittsburgh-North Shore http://pittsburghnorthshore.place.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels-pittsburghnorthshore-place/place/index.jsp?null 260 North Shore Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15212 (north shore - 1/2 mile from point park) single night / double occupancy: 4/18 check in - 4/19 checkout $199 so it's looking like the closer someone wants to stay to the start, the more they will need to fork over for the room.
pbeaver
2013-02-07 13:29:06
When I rented a bike in LA for a few days, the hotel did not want the bike in the room, but they offered to tag it and keep it in the locked room with the luggage.
pseudacris
2013-02-07 13:41:46
I have never had an issue with taking a bike into a hotel--including some 4/5 star places. I always side with not asking and just doing it. Anyone have plans on getting back?
ndromb
2013-02-08 08:00:18
I looked up rentals, $118 total which isn't bad. Anyone want to split? Nick, I sent you a PM, but I think it went to your other account? Not sure what happened.
rice-rocket
2013-02-08 09:58:28
Gah, if only rentals came with hitches, oh wait, and also bike racks
sgtjonson
2013-02-08 12:08:27
You should also have a plan to get back from points between pgh and Philly in case something happens and you can't finish.
stefb
2013-02-08 16:58:18
Also I think that you should do a 400-600km before doing this. Or at least train and do back to back 200ks. I am being advised against doing it fixed. If you are thinking about doing it fixed, do back to back 200ks and see how your knees feel.
stefb
2013-02-09 09:06:12
There's a few local opportunities for 100Ks and 200Ks in the months before CtC: see here for some details. The Kittens and Puppies rides denote easier (note, I do not say easy) routes; the Spring populaire and Spring 200K are a bit more challenging...good training for CtC. I could possibly be persuaded to lead a 200k-ish ride on Sunday 3/24 (the day after the Kittens and Puppies 200K), if people want a nice back-to-back weekend riding fiesta.
reddan
2013-02-09 17:05:05
Anyone have plans on getting back?
My current plan is to turn around and ride back. Time to push this to a new level of crazy.
that-guy
2013-02-15 14:14:50
Wow I never considered that. I would need a lot more time off of work to do something like that.
stefb
2013-02-16 08:29:29
My parents live in Philly so I always try to do double duty and hang out for a bit before or after CtC. Getting back with the bike a couple of days after everyone else has headed back to has always been a pain. Riding back definitely has its appeal; it would be a good way to get in shape for a 1200k.
dmg
2013-02-16 09:00:16
We can probably host 2-3 people the night before if anyone is really strapped for finding a place to stay. We live in Bloomfield, which is really just a quick downhill and then flat stretch to the Point. Maybe about 5 miles total, but it's all downhill or flat and I'd be happy to ride down with you in the morning to get you there quick. Our place may be in various stages of remodeling in April, but just let me know (send me a PM or something) if you're not having great luck finding a reasonable hotel.
chrispissingrivers
2013-02-23 00:04:58
If people start riding round trip as a regular thing, this could become PPP (Pittsburgh-Philadelphia-Pittsburgh, or vice versa), a 1200K-or-so randonneur comparable to (though as I understand it harder than) the famous randonneur PBP (Paris-Brest-Paris).
jonawebb
2013-02-23 08:31:38
I wonder if there's some other way to ride back - riding 1200k seems less terrifying that doing 180 miles on the GAP and losing my mind in the process.
dmg
2013-02-24 11:34:17
Danny chew and, I am sure, others know roads back from somerset, but I think a lot more climbing is involved.
stefb
2013-02-24 12:51:05
dmg wrote:I wonder if there’s some other way to ride back – riding 1200k seems less terrifying that doing 180 miles on the GAP and losing my mind in the process.
^^^^That.
reddan
2013-02-24 12:55:21
stefb wrote:Danny chew and, I am sure, others know roads back from somerset, but I think a lot more climbing is involved.
Rte 31 from Somerset back through Mt Pleasant would work, as would the few parallel side roads. But yes, there'd be a wee bit of extra climbing involved...
reddan
2013-02-24 12:57:55
I think that out of Breezewood, 30 to 26 to 36... then old 22 up Cresson Mountain wouldn't be too bad. 30 and 22 are both four lanes with wide shoulders and little traffic due to faster alternatives (30 parallells the turnpike and old 22 parallels the newer highway before they combine in Ebensburg). 26 wouldn't be too bad as it isn't super heavy on traffic... maybe I'll go try riding the portions of 26 and 36 when the weather picks up and see how it feels. The Ghost town trail avoids the elevation dips between Ebensburg and Blairsville. From there, it's not too difficult to piece together a path of rail trail or back road into Apollo, but I'm not sure the best route from there. Can boxed-bikes go on that Amtrak route?.. you know, before they end up shutting it down forever? Might be cool to transverse the "historic Horseshoe Curve" by train one last time before it is no longer possible.[edit: OK, no boxed bikes, per se after reading the ctc blog... you have to let the bike ride down to DC and then to Pgh and pick it up a few days later apparently... if I were to do that, I'm just going to go with my bike and take the CandO_GAP back (not a promise of my participation, as I doubt I can get the time off)].
headloss
2013-02-24 15:41:54
i am still unsure of exactly how i am getting back to town.
stefb
2013-02-27 22:11:00
i thought i was driving you back?
cburch
2013-02-28 00:10:09
Just so it's here -- I've been thinking about riding CtC and taking Amtrak back, in case I can convince myself I can make it there by Sunday morning. The Amtrak site doesn't seem to show any checked baggage options for the ride back, but Steven cleared that up on another thread:
If you plan a trip from Philadelphia to Washington on Amtrak’s site, it will show that the Northeast Regional trip at 4:40 AM allows checked baggage, as does the Carolinian at 8:35 AM. None of the many other trains on that route do. On the bright side, either of those trains would get you to Washington in plenty of time to catch the Capitol Limited at 4:05 PM. :-) It seems like Amtrak might let you take the (more convenient) Pennsylvanian directly back, and arrange to get your baggage back to Pittsburgh the following day via Washington. The site says “If checked baggage is not offered on a train/bus in your itinerary, it may be accepted on another train/bus bound for the same destination (excluding firearms). Advance check-in is recommended. En-route transfers between stations will require at least two hours of scheduled layover time to avoid delays.” Assuming you can trust Amtrak not to lose your stuff, and can be without it for a day, this might be the best option they offer.
jonawebb
2013-02-28 08:24:21
somerset fairly safe = 31/381/130 into wilmerding to braddock ave into Penn into city. there are obviously better ways but this is like 4 roads
steevo
2013-02-28 10:00:25
BTW, the train is $54 + $10 for bike shipping + $15 for the bike box. They have boxes at the station (don't know if they'll have enough if lots of people do this). You have to partly disassemble your bike. Don't know about insurance but given that the bike leaves later by a separate route and changes trains in DC it sounds like a good idea to me. Another way to get back is Greyhound, $30-$74 depending on how you buy your ticket, plus $30-40 for your bike, which you must pack in a container for shipping. I don't think they have bike boxes there. You can insure your bike for an additional charge. And you can also rent a car one way. It's about $110 including all fees but not gas at National. Pick up in Philly, drop off at the Pittsburgh airport.
jonawebb
2013-02-28 10:47:19
I’m not riding - But someone could rent a small u-haul truck and bring everyone’s bikes back while allowing riders to come back via bus or train. The only hassle would be to coordinate the collection of the bikes on the Philly end (use Philly rider’s house?), with an acceptable depart time. It seems like a cheaper alternative if someone was willing to be the coordinator and driver. Edit: a 10 foot box truck one way rents for $244, Turnpike toll is $39.55
marko82
2013-02-28 11:01:55
given the costs of train / bus (after shipping factors into things), it seems cheapest for a few people to split the cost of a rental vehicle. heck, with a group of people all chipping in, it might not be a bad idea for a rental van to serve as a sagwagon for the way out then a bike carrier on the way back.
pbeaver
2013-02-28 13:49:23
No SAG allowed, that's the fun. I learned my lesson last year setting an unrealistic goal for a first timer, realizing something horrible was happening to the riders 50-100 miles ahead of us. I'm just going to ride, try to keep in a group and avoid stopping for too long. If timing is good, I'll chip in for whatever is most convenient for getting my bike back otherwise if getting a train and shipping my bike is an option, I'm going to try that.
flys564
2013-02-28 14:13:41
Oh yeah, one other option -- take the train or bus back and drop your bike off at a bike shop for shipping. I think they charge something between $25 and $50 to pack your bike up and then there's shipping. This is the easiest way, I think.
jonawebb
2013-02-28 15:02:50
yeah if you get caught using any outside support, including a SAG wagon, you are DQed.
cburch
2013-02-28 23:20:43
Ok officially getting excited about this now.
stefb
2013-03-12 22:28:49
www.crushthecommonwealth.com Best website of 1994, ever. You'll be able to share your ride or follow others' by tagging instagram or twitter posts with #crushthecommonwealth. Might be adding more features too. Dunno.
that-guy
2013-03-13 15:17:44
I doubt I will be able to type #crushthecommonwealth, it would be nice to just be #ctcpa13 or something. I don't know how I have managed riding in nothing but summer gear almost year round for over 5 years (Pearl Izumi inner-cool elite shorts are basically all I have owned), including last years ctc. I guess I just get so cold in my lower belly and stomach that I can't feel it until after a long shower. I just grabbed a lot of wool stuff from head to toe and have been riding in 30 degree weather and it feels so much better. Hopefully it doesn't rain/sleet or whatever for 300 miles again this year.
flys564
2013-03-15 11:19:27
flyS564 wrote:I doubt I will be able to type #crushthecommonwealth, it would be nice to just be #ctcpa13 or something.
Most of the shorter tags are already taken. One you type it in once, twitter and instagram save the tag and it only takes three or four characters before it pops up and you just confirm.
that-guy
2013-03-15 11:38:44
^^^ +1, just save it to your phones dictionary and you'll be good.
pbeaver
2013-03-15 13:13:12
Paul, are you riding? My instagrams will be something like this: "wtf snow", "help please", "sheetz".
flys564
2013-03-15 13:45:35
Crush the Commonwealth, a.k.a. Tour de Sheetz.
that-guy
2013-03-15 13:48:31
oh no, I will not be riding CTC this year, maybe in 2014 (i do better in even years), but I am doing the Breakfast Ride from the point out to McKeesport. PGH gonna represent.
pbeaver
2013-03-15 16:25:13
that guy wrote:Crush the Commonwealth, a.k.a. Tour de Sheetz.
Heh. There's a nice new Turkey Hill in Morgantown. And there's always the Rutters in East Berlin, but yeah....lots of Sheetz.
tomh
2013-03-15 18:00:20
I remember someone had a good packing list, but I can't find it. Seems like a Dan thing to do, but I can't find it in his FAQ.
rice-rocket
2013-03-19 22:59:45
rice rocket wrote:Seems like a Dan thing to do
Probably was, but I don't recall a general packing list. I came up with this one a year or two ago: it's specific to my P-38 in randonneuring mode, but might give an idea of how I plan for such endeavors. In general, think about the following: -What might break on my bike that I could fix on the road? (Spare shifter cable, not a bad idea; spare fork, not so much. However, if you don't know how to fix it, why carry it?) -What do I need to keep myself reasonably comfortable? (Weather varies wildly, so consider your clothing choices; minor irritations can become major ones over a few hundred miles, so consider chamois butter, thicker padding on bars, shoe fit, etc.) -How will I keep myself fed and hydrated? (You need to be completely self-sufficient for 30+ miles several times; at night, there may be a 50-mile stretch with no services on-route.) -How will I see when it's dark? (Lights break. One good light on the bike, plus one good one on your helmet, equals security AND the ability to see to change a tube in the dark. ) -How will I keep myself from getting lost, or figure out how to get un-lost? (For CtC, it's pretty easy to follow the signs; it's nice to have a backup map/cue sheet, though.)
reddan
2013-03-20 07:45:48
Thanks Dan! Very helpful, good points on the spare bolts and cleats, I wouldn't have thought of that until I lost them... I should start riding w/ chamois cream, see which one I can tolerate...
rice-rocket
2013-03-20 14:07:20
I think one thing that I never thought about until it felt like it was happening last year: what if ALL the people you are riding with drop? I'm going into this one mentally prepared to ride alone. I hope to stick with people but if people drop, I want to be mentally prepared to ride in the dark, in crap weather and on my own. I relied heavily on everyone else's directions and GPS routes last year and will probably only recognize a few stretches this year.
flys564
2013-03-20 16:01:32
You'd be surprised how easy it is to navigate on your own. I've found the route to be very well marked. As far as riding alone, I actually prefer it that way. It's so much less stressful to just ride at my own pace, stop when and where I want, and not feel responsible for anyone else.
that-guy
2013-03-20 16:13:35
New news at crushthecommonwealth.com
that-guy
2013-03-22 14:13:15
I'm being lame and bailing this year. I got roped into another type of endurance race, involving gasoline and rubber.
rice-rocket
2013-03-22 15:53:50
I've been training for the past 10 weeks and completed back to back centuries 2 weeks ago. I'm planning two more big rides before CTC. Is it a stupid idea to do a 160-180 mile ride the week before? I've been googling 600k training plans and im obviously not fully prepared but that's all part of the fun right? :)
mrosswog
2013-03-23 12:08:41
I did a 200k last year a few weeks before CtC and then just some 50 milers on the weekends before that and I was fine. I also stopped a lot and slept two nights.
stefb
2013-03-23 19:31:59
mrosswog wrote:Is it a stupid idea to do a 160-180 mile ride the week before?
Nah, not unless you break yourself. If it were me, I'd prefer a 160-180 day two weeks in advance, and a nice mellow 65-100 the week before, but there's nothing wrong with a solid day of riding a week in advance.
reddan
2013-03-24 09:35:17
I think I am ready without going nuts with longass rides before CtC. I felt fine last night and today, except for this cold and some ankle soreness. I would probably stop every 25-30 miles rather than every 45 miles. I will do the 100k next weekend and the spring roll. Hoping the weather doesn't make packing things a pain this year.
stefb
2013-03-24 11:46:25
Spring roll?
marko82
2013-03-24 12:57:48
Thanks. Now get off my lawn! mumble, mumble...
marko82
2013-03-24 14:22:54
I only did ~500 miles before last years ride, only three 50mi rides in April and managed not to drop. Hoping to get one or two 75+ mile rides in before the ride but am too busy to count on it. Stef, I would like to avoid two nights of sleep during the ride this year myself if possible. All I remember last year is how miserable the rain was and leaving late probably didn't help. I also keep telling myself if we tried to go from Chambersburg to Breezewood at midnight, I may have dropped the next morning.
flys564
2013-03-24 21:54:41
It will be easier this year. It is very doable to get to breezewood or even further by the first night. It is also basically downhill from chambersburg.
stefb
2013-03-25 04:21:15
I have a few more PT sessions and one or two more test before I could be cleared to ride this, and I hope to. However, it's pretty unlikely I will be allowed and even if I am allowed, I've ridden less than 25 miles this year so I still may not ride. [When I was hit I never thought I would be out of commission for this long, nor did I think it would cause this much financial strain.] In the case that I don't ride I would be happy to drive the F:R van out to get about 4 people back including bikes if anyone would want to split the costs. If I got another seat and a trunk rack, we could fit 7+bikes.
ndromb
2013-03-25 11:55:27
Lets have some morning type 3 fun & give the CTC riders an enthusiastic rolling sendoff, the Team Breakfast Sendoff Ride has been posted on facebook, ( https://www.facebook.com/events/100875080107000/ ) Its open to anyone who can make it down to the Point @ 5am, wants to ride out to McKeesport, and enjoys eating breakfast.
pbeaver
2013-03-29 09:09:00
Just came back from PT and it does not look good for me that I'll be allowed to ride. That said, are there still people trying to find their way back from Philly?
ndromb
2013-04-01 12:12:39
How does the group manage the railroad tracks / gravel / rocks / mud of the section of trail where it currently ends to under the glenwood bridge?
mrosswog
2013-04-02 13:16:54
mrosswog wrote:How does the group manage the railroad tracks / gravel / rocks / mud of the section of trail where it currently ends to under the glenwood bridge?
In the past there have been different routes. I don't think trail will be ready in time so we'll likely just ride 837 as a group to the end of the neutral start in McKeesport. There isn't a lot of traffic at 5 a.m.
that-guy
2013-04-02 13:21:23
that guy wrote:
mrosswog wrote:How does the group manage the railroad tracks / gravel / rocks / mud of the section of trail where it currently ends to under the glenwood bridge?
In the past there have been different routes. I don’t think trail will be ready in time so we’ll likely just ride 837 as a group to the end of the neutral start in McKeesport. There isn’t a lot of traffic at 5 a.m.
Cool. I like that approach.
mrosswog
2013-04-02 13:47:43
@Nick D Don't know if this was covered in another thread, but I'm wondering what kind of injuries you sustained that require PT. This is from the hit and run right?
sgtjonson
2013-04-02 18:25:06
mrosswog wrote:
that guy wrote:
mrosswog wrote:How does the group manage the railroad tracks / gravel / rocks / mud of the section of trail where it currently ends to under the glenwood bridge?
In the past there have been different routes. I don’t think trail will be ready in time so we’ll likely just ride 837 as a group to the end of the neutral start in McKeesport. There isn’t a lot of traffic at 5 a.m.
Cool. I like that approach.
So I rode down to check on the trail conditions and it doesn't look like we'll have to ride on 837. Be prepared for some bumpy, rocky, "gravel grinding"
that-guy
2013-04-08 22:13:29
yeat, the construction vehicles havd mashed the large gravel into a pretty rideable pathway. kinda funny, they could have rented a truck for 1/150000th the cost of the wall they are building.
pbeaver
2013-04-09 16:29:51
Does anyone still need to arrange a ride back to Pittsburgh?
ndromb
2013-04-09 18:07:14
Nick D wrote:Does anyone still need to arrange a ride back to Pittsburgh?
I will likely take you up on this if it's still available. I don't think I can take the extra time off work to ride back :(
that-guy
2013-04-09 18:14:58
The VERY far-off and highly unpredictable forecast looks perfect!
that-guy
2013-04-10 10:41:20
If 3-4 people need a ride back and can pull together to cover expenses [gas/tolls/etc], I would happily make the drive to bring you guys back.
ndromb
2013-04-10 12:11:20
Hoping there is no rain. I have been anxiously checking the forecast. It would be nice to not have to carry as many clothes as I carried last year.
stefb
2013-04-11 03:32:30
As you already know, Nick, I'm definitely in if we can find a couple other people... if @that guy wants a ride, we have at least 2. Who else wants in?
2013-04-11 08:00:26
pearmask wrote:As you already know, Nick, I’m definitely in if we can find a couple other people… if @that guy wants a ride, we have at least 2. Who else wants in?
At this point I'm winging it. When I get to Philly I was going to google map an amtrak station, figure out what to do with my bike and sleep half on top of it until the next train comes. I'm still confused about the trains and bikes, no checked luggage etc. If I'm with you guys in Philly I would love a ride. If you end up being too rad and doing the ride in 30 hours or something I'll go back to plan B.
flys564
2013-04-11 08:38:21
flyS564 wrote:
pearmask wrote:As you already know, Nick, I’m definitely in if we can find a couple other people… if @that guy wants a ride, we have at least 2. Who else wants in?
At this point I’m winging it. When I get to Philly I was going to google map an amtrak station, figure out what to do with my bike and sleep half on top of it until the next train comes. I’m still confused about the trains and bikes, no checked luggage etc. If I’m with you guys in Philly I would love a ride. If you end up being too rad and doing the ride in 30 hours or something I’ll go back to plan B.
The train leaves at 12:30 pm Sunday and I think 1 pm Monday. The train station is right in downtown, about a mile from the Liberty Bell. All you need to do is turn the bars on your bike sideways and roll it into one of the giant bike boxes. The only drawback is that you will have to ride the train to DC and then up to PGH. It's about a 12-hour ride.
that-guy
2013-04-11 08:41:07
I think you also have to take off the pedals. At least I did when I took the train back from DC. From the Amtrak site: "Bicycles must be partially disassembled in order to fit in an Amtrak bicycle box. Loosen and turn the handlebars sideways, and remove the pedals. Amtrak does not supply tools for disassembling." So you'll have to have a way to do that.
jonawebb
2013-04-11 08:45:08
If I can buy a ride in the fiks van I would rather do that, Nick. I'm not going to openly say my time goal because last year that back fired and I have been road riding less so my time goal is probably 10am on Sunday to be safe and on the really high side. Preferably Saturday night but I won't say that in public or anything because then it will be Sunday night. The max road miles I think I have in this year is ~30 so I'm going to head out this weekend for a test run somewhere. I blame mountain biking.
flys564
2013-04-11 08:59:39
flyS564 wrote:The max road miles I think I have in this year is ~30 so I’m going to head out this weekend for a test run somewhere.
Greg, you might want to hit the 200k this Saturday...you'd need to buy WPW membership, but the event fee is waived for your first brevet. 125+ miles of road riding, roughly comparable to the stretch between Rockwood and Chambersburg (but with no Cowan's Gap climb), with pizza at the end. if you do decide to ride it, Jim will accept morning-of drop-ins, but would prefer that he be emailed in advance.
reddan
2013-04-11 09:05:37
Dan, I have been meaning to join in on these so I just signed up for WPWM and will try make the ride this weekend. I only worry about speed up the hills really so I hope I can keep up.
flys564
2013-04-11 09:21:30
flyS564 wrote:Dan, I have been meaning to join in on these so I just signed up for WPWM and will try make the ride this weekend. I only worry about speed up the hills really so I hope I can keep up.
I wouldn't worry. Historically, this route causes the riders to fracture into at least two or three packs, so there's likely to be someone of compatible riding speed; it's also early enough in the season that there will be plenty of folks who are not yet in peak condition. I do recommend taking a good look at the cue sheet and map in advance, though, as well as bringing a copy.
reddan
2013-04-11 09:29:14
Gah! I'll jump in on the Fiks van
sgtjonson
2013-04-11 10:24:38
Greg, if I'm riding in the van, I don't think you'll have anything to worry about - I think the chances of me being sufficiently rad to finish in 30 hours are, uh, pretty low
2013-04-11 17:47:14
Is anyone planning to camp at cowans gap state park?
mrosswog
2013-04-11 19:13:53
I was planning on staying overnight in a hotel in breezewood or maybe beyond, but I have heard of people sleeping inside the abandoned turnpike tunnels. Not sure how I feel about that one...
stefb
2013-04-11 19:28:13
Those tunnels are COLD.
rice-rocket
2013-04-12 16:26:41
Camping on the abandoned turnpike sounds awesome! I googled and found others that have done it. I wouldn't sleep in the tunnels (too creepy) but I'm sure there's a nearby place where I can hang my hammock.
mrosswog
2013-04-13 11:24:21
Just did 82 miles in this insane wind we've been having. My knees and PMA are shattered. Not feeling good right now.
mrosswog
2013-04-13 18:10:20
If it is windy for CtC, the wind will likely be at our backs.
stefb
2013-04-13 18:40:20
Does somebody have a .gpx file and/or cue sheet already put together for this route, by any chance? (Maybe this has already been discussed and I just missed it?)
2013-04-14 16:03:59
Juuuust kidding... just found Dan's RideWithGPS link from his CTC FAQ
2013-04-14 16:07:13
Also, this Fiks van thing is still kind of up in the air, so I might still be looking for a way back: if anyone is already driving back and might have room for me and my bike, I would gladly pay for (more than) my share of gas and so forth. If I can help it, I just don't really want to have to deal with boxing up my bike and riding a train for 12 hours or whatever while delirious after riding 400 miles Or if anyone wants to split a car rental or something, let me know
2013-04-14 20:21:27
That makes it easier for me to rescind my offer of coming along; didn't bother putting my bike together this weekend and I'm thinking about moving the next
sgtjonson
2013-04-14 20:44:23
A friend of mine and I took this route to Philly last September. I haven't read through all the entries, but I thought I'd share some notes. The S Route is very well marked. I felt safe through 90% of it. We had no problem finding food throughout the entire trip. The abandoned turnpike is pretty rough. There are lots of potholes and such. The road in the tunnels have been repaired. All the holes were filled in w/ cement. yes, they are cold. I imagine camping on the AT would be very safe. It's not clear where you exit the AT, but its on the right. Be careful around the area of Valley Forge State Park. There isn't much space for bikes and the S Route isn't clearly marked. Check your maps around Valley Forge Christian College. We had to stop for directions in this area. Wish I could do this with you. Have fun!
durishange
2013-04-15 09:00:20
I decided to bail. My legs were okay on the 200k. I think I'm mentally not ready for the ride this year + I figure it's around $400 in expenses between motels, hotels and returning and I would rather not spend it this year. I decided to help bring one rider back most likely on Sunday. Dan, we were riding with Jim? I believe on Saturday. What's his username in case I have room and timing works out?
flys564
2013-04-15 11:46:23
Tomorrow!
mrosswog
2013-04-18 08:54:18
*pout* I'm out for this year. Too many things hanging fire that I need to deal with this weekend. I'm still planning on the 300K next weekend.
reddan
2013-04-18 08:57:50
If you can't make the whole ride, there's always the Breakfast romp. C'mon down & show some pgh love for the mass start our to McKeesport then the turn around back to the city for some grub. (there haven't been any established plans / locales for eating, its up in the air at this point. but im sure somethign will be open than can accommodate our needs.)
pbeaver
2013-04-18 10:50:37
I think the eat n park at the waterfront is 24 hour, or the ihop going up Brownshill rd., or the joint beside OTB. I guess it depends on how many people show up. Mmmm pancakes.
marko82
2013-04-18 10:57:29
Let's see if I can get my tired, old, fat, lazy ass out of the sack for an early morning ride. I like pancakes ;) @ marko82 ... or the joint beside OTB. That has a certain appeal to it as well.
mick
2013-04-18 11:01:49
Best luck, stefb! Crushit, eh.
teamdecafweekend
2013-04-18 19:13:14
@Mick If you want to meet them closer to Pittsburgh, I'd be willing to join you They go past second ave right? Where are they jumping on the trail now? Hazelwood? Could meet them at the HMB too
sgtjonson
2013-04-18 19:31:32
A lack of physical and fiscal preparation will keep me out of the ride this year, but may Lob bless all of you courageous souls that venture east to the Bell in a few hours. I wish you fast descents, easy climbs, and a strong tailwind.
jaysherman5000
2013-04-18 23:08:47
100% chance of thunderstorms in the forecast for breezewood... LOL.
mrosswog
2013-04-19 02:51:26
East Carson street closed at becks run / water plant for demolition saturday. Good luck to all the Crushers.
vannever
2013-04-19 05:36:58
Six of us saw the riders out to Mckeesport this morning. Nice looking bunch of riders - good luck & crush it! ps - the pancakes were great!
marko82
2013-04-19 08:03:15
Team "Breakfast" totally achieved its goals in CtC. :) BTW Keystone scrapeyard part of the trail is almost over. Nice and smoooooooth asphalt!
mikhail
2013-04-19 09:10:42
while still technically closed, somehow the keystone gate was..um.."open" this morning. (shhhhh)
pbeaver
2013-04-19 15:22:13
It's been open since about Tuesday or Wednesday night :P Agreed, it's pretty sweet
sgtjonson
2013-04-19 16:00:31
sooo, who's "winning"?
pbeaver
2013-04-20 03:48:04
Following the Twitter feed is been reported someone just got to the Bell! Some Tom Oswald?? I've been cheering for the ladies, Stef & Sara, who seem to be crushing it "Iron Lady" style! :) Stef is about 85 miles away, and Sara hasn't updated since East Berlin 2hrs ago.
bikeygirl
2013-04-20 09:48:38
(Via Facebook on April 9) From Linda Boxx, the President of the Allegheny Trail Alliance, the group building the trail at Sandcastle. Please do not try to come through yet. There's only about a month's more work needed until the Sandcastle/Keystone section is finished. Crews will be milling and paving soon, making Sandcastle Drive impassable. Also, the CSX railroad CSX is very concerned about the volume of trespassers at Keystone Metals. Please enjoy other opened sections until work is complete. Thanks! Back on topic, hope the rain/cold wasn't too miserable for the riders.
salty
2013-04-20 10:01:18
projecting a 35 - 36 hour finish for Stef. heading out with the dogs to throw her a surprise pit bull party at the bell.
cburch
2013-04-20 12:07:24
I wouldn't put it above Stef to check the forums while on the route :P
sgtjonson
2013-04-20 13:56:32
I got a few craptastic pics near Somerset yesterday while driving back to the 'Burgh: http://goo.gl/1tfp7
reddan
2013-04-20 14:15:40
Stefb just made the bell. Assuming the clock started at 5:15am that would be 36:42! pearmask was 65 miles out four hours ago, so should be there shortly. Pittsburgh ladies of steel!
marko82
2013-04-20 17:24:16
Why am I still awake? And why are there no official updates about the finishers' times?
stefb
2013-04-20 20:41:47
Also thanks for the support and great job to those who did the ride. I will make a blog post and share it tomorrow. The gap was torture because it was so soaked and then we got soaked and it hurt and now I have a ton of skin problems, and some others said that the rain caused skin problems also. Strong riders. Nice people
stefb
2013-04-20 20:44:54
Pearmask is at the bell @ 10:32pm = 39:17 Awesome! No word from jonaweb yet, he was in Lancaster 9 hours ago.
marko82
2013-04-20 22:27:08
Jonaweb made it at 12:03am!!! Congrats to everyone who attempted or finished the ride!!!! Respect!!! :D
bikeygirl
2013-04-21 05:28:31
Amazing. Congratulations everyone.
edmonds59
2013-04-21 07:25:27
^ That. I'm soooooo impressed.
teamdecafweekend
2013-04-21 08:21:09
Congrats to everyone!
mikhail
2013-04-21 08:34:34
Nice, congrats!
salty
2013-04-21 10:34:20
My strategy, which was basically not to sleep or do anything else but ride, worked perfectly. I never would have been able to finish Saturday otherwise because I'm so slow. I stole a march on a lot of people by riding through the night (some of whom passed me later). It was nice I met Ruth C. on the way out of Bedford because she knew the way through the tunnels well and it's safer riding at night with someone else. The hallucinations weren't that bad but my eyes stopped working right around Lancaster. I couldn't do binocular vision and had to keep one eye closed to avoid seeing double. It turns out binocular vision isn't as necessary as I'd thought. But later, on the trail into Philly, I discovered that if I closed my eyes for about 30 seconds, which also felt like the best thing ever, they would resync. So no problem. I was seeing things like faces in shadows and odd mountainous elephant-like shapes in tree shadows. That was sort of cool. And Philly itself was awesome at night -- not too crowded with cars, and lots of places reserved for bikes I guess because the streets are so wide. BTW I used Dirk Strothman's "Magnic Light" headlight on this ride and it held up really well. No problems for 400 miles including some really rough road (Ruth was really fast through the tunnels). It's Kickstarter project that powers the light using the rim moving through a magnetic field. Must less resistance than a dynamo hub, lighter, and brighter, and you don't need to get a new wheel.
jonawebb
2013-04-21 18:41:00
@jonawebb congratulations on finishing it's a great accomplishment. I hope you got some rest after not sleeping and riding close to 400 miles.
marvelousm3
2013-04-21 18:47:21
Well done, Stef & Jon (and any other finishers reading this).
jmccrea
2013-04-21 19:10:51
@mm & Jake, thanks. I rode up to the 30th Street station and slept there, rented a car in the morning and drove back, stopping to sleep and eat at the rest stops. I got back here around 7 pm. Edit: BTW, Philly bike traffic around midnight Saturday seems surprisingly rough. Two guys without lights came very close to hitting me.
jonawebb
2013-04-21 19:33:51
Mad respect. This is one ride I'm quite happy to have religious reasons to duck out of.
byogman
2013-04-21 20:02:09
WOW - I am amazed that people take this on and finish it. Congratulations to all the participants! @stefb that was a very enjoyable blog read!
pseudacris
2013-04-21 21:36:22
I'd love to get some more details on that magnic light, I've been curious as to the performance and lumens generated. I'm assuming they have only been in the hands of actual backers at this point though.
benzo
2013-04-21 21:59:42
Finished at 9:22PM on Saturday night. Long and detailed ride report coming soon.
mrosswog
2013-04-22 16:12:18
Just want to say that anyone who finished this ride is a total bad ass in my book -- and hell, even starting takes a considerable amount of bravery. I am in awe of you. Congratulations!
chinston
2013-04-22 16:43:15
Jim, if you are reading this, please let me know how you did. I didn't see your name on the list of finishers. Wondering if you had a mechanical. Hope all is well.
stefb
2013-04-22 17:45:08
Hey Stef, I've been hiding out in shame. I gave up in Bedford. Soaking wet, chilled to the bone and I didn't bring enough clothes for the rest of the ride. Plus, I broke another spoke and the rear wheel was kinda wobbly. I'm don't regret quitting. I do regret my lack of planning. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to next year.
jimg
2013-04-22 22:19:29
Stef - just read your blog post, and now I regret not finishing. You rock- congratulations!
jimg
2013-04-22 23:08:13
Thanks. Glad to hear you are ok. It was probably best that you threw in the towel. Hypothermia can be dangerous. You are a strong rider. You will do well next year.
stefb
2013-04-23 04:44:57
Glad to hear from ya, Jim...couldn't find your email, and I was getting concerned. If it helps your crushing burden of shame, Bedford is where I threw in the towel last year too.
reddan
2013-04-23 07:34:44
The fact that you rode your bike to BEDFORD is no small thing. I gave up midway through a measly 200k one year due to being severely chilled. Nothing wrong with putting your health before your pride.
sarah_q
2013-04-23 09:18:14
Seriously, riding is only HALF of the challenge. Congrats to those that finished. To those that didn't finish, I hope to join you next year... finishing that is. ;) I'm now 0for2 getting the time off to participate; this would be much easier if I would just move back to Pgh and be done with it.
headloss
2013-04-23 11:13:46
I experienced a lot of new things on this ride, including fear before it -- I never felt actually afraid of a bicycle ride before, the discovery that I could indeed ride through the night and the next day, that I'd figured out the clothing thing, the problems with vision and learning to deal with them, and the discovery at the end that I still had energy on the Schuylkill trail, and a clear enough head to be able to work my way through Philly. It has been a long process working out what I had to do to be able to do these rides -- clothes, equipment, bike fit, nutrition, GPS, etc. But it is worth it to find out some of these things. And there is still more interesting stuff to learn.
jonawebb
2013-04-23 11:20:24
Sometimes not having the clearest head is a benefit in Philly... as it helps you to blend in. ;)
headloss
2013-04-23 11:26:22
@mrosswog : I really enjoyed your report...brought back memories of my first eastbound CtC. Based on your preference for riding solo most of the time, I suspect you'd do really well on long brevets...most randonneurs are completely chill about riding with strangers, and about going ahead or falling behind as the mood takes 'em without getting weird about "keeping the group together."
reddan
2013-04-23 13:06:47
That was a great write up. Very accurate.
stefb
2013-04-23 19:40:44
Thanks for the kind words guys! Hey Jim - from your tiny profile / avatar pic - it looks like you were the guy I was chasing out of Somerset. That was awesome! I'm still resting up and healing some kind of pulled muscle in my left shin / ankle. It's slowly getting better but was swelling and crippling sore for days. Can't wait to get back on the bike!
mrosswog
2013-04-26 07:53:04
@ mrosswog - Great report! Good ride! You should let us all know your band name - and when you gig so we can ride our bikes there, then throw things at you.
mick
2013-04-26 13:44:18
CdC vs CtC?
cburch
2013-04-26 15:35:59
Mick wrote:@ mrosswog – Great report! Good ride! You should let us all know your band name – and when you gig so we can ride our bikes there, then throw things at you.
Not sure what the whole "throw things" supposed to mean. You want to clarify?
mrosswog
2013-04-26 15:40:55
cburch wrote:CdC vs CtC?
LOL. It's been 10 years since I was in circle. Remember when we used to chat on AIM?
mrosswog
2013-04-26 15:42:37
yup. remember when the relapse board was fun? i know circle is long gone but the initials worked too well to not use it...
cburch
2013-04-26 15:57:10
The old relapse board from like 00-03 will forever hold legendary status in my mind. Too bad things never stay the same. We're getting old!
mrosswog
2013-04-26 16:02:29
Hats off to all who completed this ride! I never knew it existed, but it it totally awesome. What an accomplishment!
ericf
2013-04-26 16:10:44
mrosswog wrote:The old relapse board from like 00-03 will forever hold legendary status in my mind. Too bad things never stay the same. We’re getting old!
yes. and i miss stacey... i wore my blueprint for disaster shirt to evil dead for him.
cburch
2013-04-26 17:00:46
one of these days i will write up a ride report. it was an adventure. i'm just so lazy. maybe i'll do that this weekend.
2013-04-26 18:20:01
mrosswog wrote: Hey Jim – from your tiny profile / avatar pic – it looks like you were the guy I was chasing out of Somerset. That was awesome!
Yeah - that was me. I think that was the wettest I've ever been on a bike. But it's hard to beat those tail winds we had! Nice write up , by the way. I think you captured the essence of what was in many people's heads (at least mine anyway).
jimg
2013-04-28 21:02:47