ESPN's Tony Kornheiser on Cyclists: "RUN THEM DOWN."

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bstephens
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Was just pointed to this article by a friend:

http://www.bostonrunner.com/2010/03/tony-kornheiser-on-cyclists-run-them.html

I already submitted a complaint. People like this should not have an audience.


netviln
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reddan
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Tony Kornheiser, just coming back from a two-week suspension.

“I need some press, some controversy. How can I get my name out, and move away from being the guy who comments on women’s clothing instead of sports?”

Jagoff.


erok
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this is the best line: Why do these people think that these roads were built for bicycles?

uhhh. i guess i didn’t realize that the car predated the horse and buggy.


bstephens
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If you listen to the recording, the other people on the show were kind of enabling him by laughing and agreeing with him. It’s not funny.


brian j
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Kornheiser’s job is to be controversial, sadly. Everything I’ve read says that he is a horrible sports commentator, so he’s got to do something else to be marketable. Of course, this is a sad commentary on the state of media that it’s just as good to say controversial things as it is to be a good reporter.

I agree with Dan’s sentiment.


dmtroyer
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If you’re really upset by this, you can also contact advertisers on ESPN and ESPN radio, they carry a lot of weight.


Mick
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+1 for dmtroyer

I don’t watch TV, so I don’t know. Are there any bike products folks that advertise on ESPN?

“Sports” in the US is the activity of sitting on the couch watching TV, with chips and beer. So, I doubt if there is much bike advertising, but I’m guessing that during the Tour de France, there could be some.


t
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Thanks for posting this, someone actually worthy of vehement sarcasm and believe it they got an email full and shall continue to receive them.


dmtroyer
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wow, the more I think about this the more I am upset. Any celebrity inciting, if not justifying, violence towards any group of people is despicable.


t
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I think I’ll ride down butler and just punch those old guys riding those rascals right in the head, they’re in my way, WTF, they think those sidewalks are built for them, they’re for riding bikes.


KBrooks
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Reddan and Bjanaszek got it right…

I suspect there’s a standard list for mass-media types to fall back on when they need to stir some controversy and up their readers or viewers, or at least increase the emails and comments they get. “Anti-cycling rant” is on there along with “vague misogynist sentiments” and “your favorite sports team sucks,” etc.

Aside from that, Kornheiser is an idiot. Monday night football is so much better without him.


reddan
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I’d agree with dmtroyer’s suggestion re: advertisers. Contacting ESPN, even if to gripe, means he gets another tick in the contact database that is used to SELL advertising.

Contacting advertisers to complain, on the other hand, doesn’t benefit him in any way.


spakbros
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He basically just put a hit out against his own car in whatever shit town he resides in.


88MS88
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Karma is a bitch Tony. I have a feeling that his comments will have minimal impact outside of the cycling community (boy do I hope I’m wrong). One can only guess at the public’s reaction if he had advocated this hateful action against any other group such as women, children, the handicapped or minorities. Then there would be a public outcry that would have this d-bag speed-dialing Don Imus.


edmonds59
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Gee whiz, I wonder how Dick’s Sporting Goods would feel if they knew this Kornholer was advocating running people off the roads on those horrible little bikes they sell. Dear me!

http://espnmediazone.com/press_releases/2007_12_dec/20071206_ESPNTheWeekendPresentedbyDicksSportingGoodsFeb29Mar22008.htm

Does anybody know anybody?


reddan
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I’d swear there’s an entire Dick’s Sporting Goods cycling team that does local charity events. Got, like, management types on the team, too.


dmtroyer
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Nike, Gatorade… it isn’t hard to think of other advertisers to contact.


Lyle
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There *was* a Dick’s Sporting Goods cycling team.

I’ve forwarded this to some of what remains of it.

quoted from http://bikeleague.org

The League began as the League of American Wheelmen (LAW) in 1880… The League of American Wheelmen is credited with getting paved roads in this country before the reign of the automobile.

from http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/automobile.htm

The first automobile to be produced in quantity was the 1901 Curved Dash Oldsmobile… Ford began producing his Model T in 1908.


StuInMcCandless
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This is plain f**king scary. People actually listen to this guy.

Next helmet I get (which is soon) is getting a helmet cam. Any “tap” I live through will get prosecuted. Any “tap” I don’t will be prosecuted by my estate.


edmonds59
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I just learned from this that Lance Armstrong has

22,458,006 twitter followers. !!

Oi, if they decide to get rolling, there’s not an umbrella in the world that can protect this “TK” from a shtstorm like that.


bikefind
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@stu: that’s a really good idea. I don’t know anything about helmet cams*, but would be really interested if anyone does, or has links to post.

*how much do you have to spend to get a decent one?

*any good brands to look for?


netviln
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A lot of people I know have this one and love it

http://www.rei.com/product/794062 (I have seen it for well under 200)

I was also looking into: http://www2.oregonscientific.com/cat-Outdoor-sub-Action-Cams-prod-ATC3K-Waterproof-Action-Cam.html


StuInMcCandless
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Here’s one for Scott and staff, now that I’ve had a couple of minutes to calm down.

What of a message from Bike-Pgh to all local law enforcement departments to be a little more careful in police reports about car/bicycle accidents, esp. hit-and-runs. I don’t think a public pronouncement would do as much good.

This really does make me afraid to get out on the road, given the amount of idiocy that “talk radio” is already putting in people’s heads on non-bicycle topics.

And seriously, this jerk needs to be put on a bicycle, himself, to get around. Permanently.


bstephens
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Apparently Lance and Tony Kornheiser talked on the phone:

…just off the phone w/ Tony Kornheiser who’s very sorry 4 his comments re: cyclists. Going on the show 2morrow 2 discuss this w/ him.

via Twitter


bstephens
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… and the audio from that day (that was available earlier today) has been removed from the espn980.com website.


brian j
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This really does make me afraid to get out on the road, given the amount of idiocy that “talk radio” is already putting in people’s heads on non-bicycle topics.

I’m guessing that Kornheiser doesn’t have the same sort of zombie following as, say, Mr. Limbaugh. He is primarily an entertainer, and doesn’t seem to project himself as some sort of Pied Piper. That said, I don’t think your fears are necessarily unfounded.

This has played out like most other publicity stunts:

1. Make grandiose, offensive statement in a public forum.

2. Drive lots of traffic to said forum

3. Apologize

4. ???

5. Profit


quizbot
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audio is up on youtube for now… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7wnBoWOfAU


eMcK
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Lance shouldn’t bother going on this dude’s show. He is playing right into the host’s publicity stunt.


edmonds59
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If Lance can go on the air and tell this clown he was way out of line, and present the case that bikes have rights on the road in a public forum that is unaccustomed to hearing such a thing (i.e. suv drivin sports talk listenin white males ages 30-55), it will flip the conversation 180 degrees, to cyclists advantage. If that can happen, I don’t care if it’s a publicity stunt.

Sure, I’d like this asshat to be mopping floors in the ESPN basement as much as anyone, but if Lance can flip this thing, GO LANCE. Awesome.


rsprake
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I don’t think it was part of any big plan and he was just talking about what was on his mind that morning. Based on the calls he got he’s not the only one who is annoyed.

Hoping that Lance can explain clearly the reasons people ride their bikes the way they do and that it doesn’t devolve into talking about his racing career.


brian j
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I’m hardly an LA fan, but given the sort of culture he’s attempted to create with Mellow Johnny’s, he seems to get that the bicycle is about more than just racing.


StuInMcCandless
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willie p
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my first reaction… (and saw the post above); was to get “LA” on the case. As much as I don’t care for Lance, I will admit he’s got pull.


reddan
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As much as I don’t care for Lance, I will admit he’s got pull.

I’m torn. On the one hand, hey, it’s one of the only professional cyclists that most Americans would even recognize, getting air time to talk about cyclists’ rights. On the other hand, what chance would the Kornheiser jagoff have had of getting a big name on his show WITHOUT this kind of controversy? It feels like he’s being rewarded for talking smack with a nice fat ratings boost.

Not that I listen to the guy…it’s entirely possible that he has high-profile sports figures on all the time, and I don’t know what I’m talking about…


edmonds59
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Being that he is a mainstream sports commentator, I’m pretty confident that getting Lance Armstrong on a radio show wasn’t even on this assmonkey’s radar.


bstephens
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Tony started his show today with a little disclaimer along the lines of “Now listeners, you have to understand this show is about comedy, about entertainment and we sometimes say shocking things.” Oh good, it’s all better now. Lance is supposed to be on at 11am.


Mick
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Have you ever seen the Clinton interview with Chris Matthews? Clinton, at one point, very powerfully and succintly critiques Matthews performance during the 90’s. Names dates and quotes and such. I would not have wanted to be in Matthews shoes then for anything.

I hope Kornheiser gets an idea of what it would be like to have the Tour de France ride down your throat.


netviln
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It was pretty much what I expected.. Lance kinda took the easy road.. “we all have to work together”.

There were a couple good points made, but none memorable enough to stand out.. except the the statistic lance said.. 40 years ago, 40% of kids biked to school, now its 3%.. 40 years ago .. childhood obesity was 14%.. I dont rememebr what he said it is now, but it was way higher.


StuInMcCandless
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I’m really offended by all this. Laughing or not, they’re threatening the lives of cyclists.

Long ago I learned the difference between intent and effect. Their intent is to entertain. Their effect is to change how people think, and to do that in a way that endangers us.

Yes, this is a free country. Yes, we have free speech. But if public opinion is a purchasable commodity, and I believe it is, then what Nike and Gatorade are purchasing is the idea that it is OK and even desirable to run cyclists off the road.

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