Two dudes riding bikes on Ellsworth last night

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joeframbach
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Seriously, get some lights and stop cutting intersections. Y’all’re gonna get yerselves killed.


cburch
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i hate this. i had some lightless, helmetless dillweed riding in circles on butler in front of me this morning. he then cut between me and the speeding cars at the doughboy intersection and blew through a red light only to hop on the sidewalk and get off his bike.

asshats are everywhere.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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(Two of my favorites! asshat AND dillweed in one post. Bravo!)


erok
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i prefer assweed and dillhat


erok
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sounds like a 70’s rock duo


rosielo
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Seriously cannot stand lightless people. You’re just asking for trouble, and I don’t like to see people ask for trouble.


Lyle
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The fact that you can ride after dark, without lights, without safety gear, in door zones, against traffic and running red lights AND SURVIVE is just proof that cycling in the city is a lot safer than people think.


quizbot
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Around 9pm tonight I almost hit some light & reflector less hipster assweed who was crossing against the red headed inbound on Penn at Negley when I had the left turn outbound green… shouted at him to get some f’n lights. Dillhat wasn’t wearing a helmet either, probably so he wouldn’t mess up his hair. Seriously… make yourselves visible in traffic at night.


steve k
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this reminds me of the time i rode my bike on 28 outboud.


ieverhart
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My brother maintains that a rear red light is more important than a front white light. I look at the requirement to have a front white light and the lack of requirement to have a red light, and conclude the opposite.

Clearly it’s ideal to have both front and rear lights (and multiples of each) but if you had to pick, which would you say is the most important, front or rear?


Ahlir
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You’re less aware of things behind you, so that’s a good place for a light.

But why choose? Do both.


JCME
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Yeah, but when you did it, Steve, it was all about alleycat glory. Which totally legitimizes your situation.


Lyle
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The front is. There are no crossing conflicts from the rear. But like ahlir said, why choose.


Lyle
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I rode my bike on 28 inbound the first week I moved to pittsburgh, immediately got a flat, walked three miles home in cleats, and didn’t ride again for a year. I almost moved back to boston but I couldn’t face the 12 hour drive again.


unixd0rk
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to all of the bike light fans: have fun when you finally get jumped.

it’s really not that hard to operate your bike without lights when you know that nobody can see you.

you should be assuming you are invisible, even with lights on. what, do you guys turn in front of vehicles at night because you *know* the person will see you? i don’t even do that in the daytime.


StuInMcCandless
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The front light has a switch. Turn it off if you feel it’s safer that way. But the two times I know I’ve barely avoided being hit were when my light failed or was missing and I was nearly left-crossed.


t
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Lights on for Safety!

I run a generator on my front hub and currently use three lights, although I’m adding more.

I don’t turn in front of moving vehicles, lights or no lights, and with lights, cars are a lot less likely to turn in front of me, people can see me, as far as getting jumped, I welcome the opportunity.


Lyle
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…but my brother might be coming the other way…


quizbot
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If you’re on a major artery, turn em on. If you’re on sketchy side streets, turn em off if it makes you feel safer. If you’re a n00b and pedal with your heels, use lights for sure.


Noah Mustion
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Lately I’ve been going blinkies all the time, ghetto front light (doesn’t blink) when it’s totally dark. Could use a legit front light – that said, anyone have any suggestions? I don’t mean some $300 HID but something $20 or so, more for being seen.


scott
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@unixd0rk, I don’t have the stats on this to back me up, but I would place a fairly sizable bet that one is much more likely to get hit by a car while riding at night without lights than being jumped by hooligans while riding with lights.

I have been riding in Pittsburgh for 10+ years with lights at night and have never been jumped. I’ve also never been hit by a car at night.


kxm
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Seriously. I work in Oakland and take classes at night and the sheer number of lightless (often lacking in even *reflectors*), helmetless, etc cyclists drives me crazy.

Anyone here who drives a car knows that even in good conditions, even as people who LOOK for bicyclists, it can be hard to see bikes or pedestrians on dark streets.

Re: lights — I’m a n00b, but I really like my Blackburn headlight. It’s bright and has a solid and flashing setting. Also easy to take off/on.

I have an older version of the Voyager and the Mars 3.0 seen here:

http://www.blackburndesign.com/lights.html

It lists on Amazon at around $20.

http://www.amazon.com/Blackburn-Voyager-3-3-Bicycle-Headlight/dp/B001GAOR2K/ref=pd_sim_sg_1


jeg
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While we’re talking about people who are gonna get themselves killed: middle-aged guy without a helmet riding down the middle of the road AGAINST TRAFFIC on Schenley Drive at 7:15 this morning. Really?


kxm
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Speaking of bikes, night, getting jumped, and Shadyside….

Oct 6, 2010 10:58 pm US/Eastern

CMU Student Mugged In Shadyside

SHADYSIDE (KDKA) ? A Carnegie Mellon University student making a midnight run to the grocery store on his bicycle was beaten up and mugged.

This happened on Ellsworth Avenue in Shadyside late Monday night.

Thieves knocked the student off his bicycle, beat him up and stole his wallet and cell phone.

The robbery was surprising to some students.

“I know to take precautions, but this recent one has really been shocking that it was a person on a bike,” Renee Pacella, a CMU Freshman, said.

Traveling alone at night can be dangerous. Campus police are asking students to take precautions, for example, using an escort service at night or taking a campus shuttle bus.

Police also have the following safety tips:

* Stay alert your surroundings at all times

* Stay close to friends and avoid strangers

* Avoid devices that impair hearing and sight


cburch
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“Campus police are asking students to take precautions, for example, using an escort service at night”

cmu really does have everything huh?


Noah Mustion
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They’re probably robots, though.


reddan
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Ya know, when I was in college, “escort service” had a very different meaning.

I bet CMU has robots for that, too.


Noah Mustion
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…oh that’s what I was getting at, Dan…

RoboPro


helen s
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“to all of the bike light fans: have fun when you finally get jumped.”

http://www.keepfearalive.com/

Agreed you cannot assume cars see you in the dark or light, but give them and your fellow cyclists a better chance anyway.

As far as getting jumped, I agree with the comment that you are much more likely to get hit or at least narrowly missed by a car.


Pierce
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@cburch

CCAC also offers escort services. It’s like having your grandpa walk you to your car. You just hope he doesn’t slip on ice and break his hip again.


cburch
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@pierce

i wasn’t talking about that kind of escort service, unless you are into that sort of thing.


Morningsider
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Would the escorts being robots make it legal?


cburch
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yes, but you have to be debriefed by darpa (after you are de-briefed by the robots!)


steevo
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State law mandates only a front light and rear

reflectors.

It would be good press if cyclists were the ones

pressing politicians to mandate rear lights and

enforce that shit. that would be cool.

In LA at night I got warned for having red in the

front and white in the back. that is nuts.


dwillen
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They had bike light stings in Davis every fall. Cops would park on a popular bike corridors between the dorms and the rest of campus buildings the first week of school. They would round up the freshman by the 100s (at a time!) and issue them all fixit tickets. They had to bike over to the police station with their newly installed light and have a cop sign off on it, or pay a fine. Most lights are cheaper than the fine so it was a no-brainer.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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We’ll know cycling has become a concern when the police apply the man power to pull off that kind of sting around here. I’m guessing bike lights are waaayyy down their list.


dwillen
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I imagine it would be more of a cyclist sponsored event around here. Get some sponsors (performance, planet bike, etc.) Park a group of people at whatever intersections had the most commuters in the census, or around campus and start handing out lights to all the dim(!) riders.

I’m sure there are a few who are too cool for lights or whatever, and that couldn’t be helped unless you had an officer there to issue a real ticket, but I bet there are a good number of clueless beginners that just haven’t been told they need them.


edmonds59
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Back in August, my neighbors son was going off to Penn State main campus, so apparently the college is strongly recommending that students bring bikes to get around, and that they be fitted with front and rear lights, and a lock. And this kid is a football player, so at 18, I don’t think he had been on a bike in years. The dad had found quite a decent old Schwinn, and I was super happy to help him get it set up! I had forgotten about how kinda good that was.


ieverhart
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What about a hangtag or other kind of flier that could be attached to bikes without lights parked at racks? It could note the law and other bike laws.

Speaking of which, was someone going to put together a “love your bike, lock it right” flier? I saw a bike outside the Pitt Law building last week that was secured with–get this–electrical tape.


Lyle
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Rear reflectors can be adequate. The law specifies a performance standard and I think that’s the right approach for equipment laws to take. Though I don’t see very many bikes around with any kind of rear reflector on them — it’s either a blinky or nothing.

Do you think the standard is too low, or do you think that there are more than a very few motorists driving without headlights?

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