Wharf Trail

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Lenny
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Does anyone know the trail status from the wharf to Point State Park?? I haven’t seen anyone working on it and the weather has been nice. Will it be done soon???


Mick
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The Mon River is still very high. There is a chance that the trail is under water. i would be surprised if they did anything on it before the flood danger passed completely.

Week-old news, but:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10074/1042901-455.stm


netviln
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I think they did ground breaking on the switchback, but thats about it. I think the warf connector is going to take the better part of the summer to finish.


sloaps
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Section 404 Permit (PDF) has been submitted to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for review.

This is an opportunity for the public to comment on the proposed bike/pedestrian link from Smithfield Street Bridge to the Mon Wharf.

Let the Corps know how you feel about the project!


Vannevar
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Very awesome Sloaps, thanks for the link!

Here’s the image of what it’ll look like from page 7 of that PDF.


bear250220
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i rode over to the mon warf last week alot of mud no progress on the trail hopefully in the spring something will start happening


wojty
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Sloaps, the corps is a body I am less familiar with getting feedback. What would be the best way to give them a high five for bike/ped infrastructure?


StuInMcCandless
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* wharf

JSYK


Swalfoort
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RLTF did NOT send in a Section 404 permit application with a typo like that, did they? That’s inexcusable!


reddan
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Not to pick on him, but I suspect/hope the blue explanatory text was added by Vannevar.

Otherwise, I too am mildly appalled by the RLTF.


Steven
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The PDF misspells wharf differently than Vannenar misspells wharf. But PDF’s misspellings are signed by somebody from the Army Corps of Engineers, not Riverlife. The included material from Riverlife spells it right.


dmtroyer
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what exactly do “Non-Slip ADA Compatible metal grating deck segments” look like? Similar to what’s on the bridge walkways?


Vannevar
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Greetings to all,

Yes, the blue text was my add, my bad.

And I must admit, I used “Whorf” intentionally, it’s my miniQuixoticCrusade to have the Mon Wharf renamed Mon Whorf in honor of linguist Benjamin Whorf (who is one of my heroes).

The typos in the PDF are, I assume, somebody else’s agenda that I haven’t been able to discern yet.

They can make as manee spelling errors as they want if they keep building more bike inferstuctur.

Cheers,

V.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Whorf (wôrf, hwôf), Benjamin Lee 1897-1941.

American linguist who developed what came to be known as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis in collaboration with his teacher Edward Sapir.

Sa·pir-Whorf hypothesis (s-pîrwôrf, -hwôrf)

n.

A hypothesis holding that the structure of a language affects the perceptions of reality of its speakers and thus influences their thought patterns and worldviews.

Coincidence? Perhaps not.


Vannevar
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ALMKLM, you’ve hit the target.

A big part of Whorf’s work is the assertion that it’s not that we think in a universal internal human code and then we speak in a language, but rather that we think in our language – and people who think in language are both enabled and constricted by the language.

So, it suggests that if your language can’t express it, you can’t even think of it.

Which suggests that cultures with different languages will certainly end up with different understandings, and makes one more accepting of neologisms that extend the reach of possible thought.

So I’ve been on a grassroots campaign to rename the Mon Wharf (which is rather boring) the Mon Whorf (which is a bit academic-eclectic-niche hipstery, perhaps). It’s just such a good opportunity if you’ve already got a wharf.

So far I haven’t persuaded anybody.

Thanks for enduring my screed.

Cheers,

V.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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Sapir-Whorf is new to me, but at first blush, it sure seems to cover a lot of ground!


cburch
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Lou M.
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@dmtroyer Anti-slip = A plasma stream deposition process applying molten metal to a metal substrate.

ADA compliant = Bars spaced no further than 1/2″ apart


sloaps
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@woytj The Corps’ scope in the permitting process does not relate to bicycle and pedestrian transportation, specifically. A 404 Permit is required by law for any project in or adjacent to federal waters – ecosystems, commerce and traffic along the Monongahela River is federally regulated/enforced.

Part of the permitting process provides the public an opportunity to submit their opinions on the activity proposed within the permit. For, against, or indifferent: submitting an opinion provides the regulatory body (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers) and the applicant (Riverlife) necessary feedback from the public to define and analyse “all” environmental impacts – this includes impacts to the public.

@dmtroyer See SlipNOT. The product, not the small group of people that call themselves a “musical group.”


wojty
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Thanks Sloaps.

I figured the corps had little to do with the content, and is just part of the process, but wanted to be sure.

However, should feedback be given to them or to river life to have the best impact?

I would love to ride up and down a ramp made from members of a “musical group” lying down. Isn’t that planking thing all the rage these days?


sloaps
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From page 3 of the notice:

All responses to this notice should be directed to the Regulatory Branch, attn George Brkovich at the above address

– which is

US Army Corps of Engineers, Pittsburgh District

1000 Liberty Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA 15222-4186

by telephoning 4.1.2. 3.9.5.7.2.4.7., or by email george(dot)r(dot)brkovich(AT)usace(dot)army(dot)mil Please refer to CELRP-OP-F 2011-1700 in all responses.


wojty
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I got distracted by pictures and skimmed the writing…thanks!

Also, a bit unsure about the metal grating surface on the ramp. Flooding probably influenced the decision to go with a permeable surface (guessing) but I haven’t had a great success rate with grated surfaces like that on a bike. The switch-back in particular seems iffy with material like that.

The renderings on the riverlife website that I had seen months/year ago all looked like solid surface, so I didn’t give it any thought until seeing this submission.


sew
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I’m with cburch on this one….it should be “Worf”. He was bad ass!


edmonds59
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Trivia; saw Worf (right) last night in “The Santa Claus 3(?)”. Very disorienting.


Swalfoort
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Edit: Removed as too much of a thread jack.

But, thanks for the Sapir-Whorf discussion. It’s been illuninating!


Mick
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@wojty I would love to ride up and down a ramp made from members of a “musical group” lying down.

Slipknot? With that particular group, you would likely get a flat every time from one of the the little sharp bits of metal. But the cookie-monster-in-agony sounds you elicit riding over them might almost be worth it.

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