What streets need to be repaved first

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scott
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BikePGH is going to write a letter to the Mayor and DPW with a list of streets we feel need to be repaved first as soon as the weather breaks. We have a few in mind already, but want to poll our die-hard riders and forum participants. We’ll probably end up with a list of around a dozen streets.


Swalfoort
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Penn Avenue in front of Kelly’s was almost impassible yesterday. The street was so riddled with potholes that it reminded me more of Kosovo than of Pittsburgh.


ieverhart
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Morewood by Winchester Thurston was really bad today–I usually don’t go that way and but saw it just now. Fifth between Bellefield and Craig is a nightmare. Negley Avenue near Friendship Avenue could use a good pave over. There are others, but those are the ones off the top of my head.


brian j
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Actually, Negley between Centre and Baum, especially when northbound, is darn near impassable.

Baker Street is also in horrible condition, as it needed a new coat of tarmac well before we got all this snow.


bstephens
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Just rode Beechwood Blvd today, and most of everything between 5th and Forbes has crazy potholes.


reddan
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I’ve mentioned it before, but California between Marshall and the post office has some nasty spots.


Swalfoort
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I called 311 on the California section referenced by Reddan sometime last summer. They did go out and patch. I didn’t report the entire stretch out to Marshall though — just the really bad inbound stretch 3-4 blocks north of the post office. It’s still bad, but they did do some patching last summer in response to my call.


raphael
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“Fifth between Bellefield and Craig is a nightmare.”

+1. there is a pothole in front of St paul’s so big that I could lay down in it and not get hit by a car…in fact, I think I might.


brian j
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The entire Fifth/Craig intersection is a mess.


reddan
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Took Beaver this morning. Yeesh…it looks like someone was skipping stones on a pond, but with snowplows on asphalt…


Mick
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My steet first!

Mine!

Mine!


StuInMcCandless
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I don’t know about first, but pleeeease do Perrysville between Federal and Federal sometime in 2010? I haven’t been on it since the storms, but it was a nut buster back in November.


gimpPAC
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Penn Avenue has needed a good paving since before the storm… Especially in Garfield/East Liberty.

And yes I agree with the Centre/Baum/Negley as well as Fifth/Craig intersections. Hard enough to pass by car, it will totally swallow a bike!


caitlin
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Potholes are everywhere and it is really horrible.

They patched the penn circle west holes before feb but i am sure that isn’t going to last

They may not pave over by kellys due the two-way traffic plan? I assume paving is part of that?

45th st is terrible. I probably wont ride down it again until it is repaved and each time a UPMC shuttle goes down it (dozens of times a day) it gets worse.


caitlin
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I’m personally wondering if they will just focus on ‘neighborhoods of choice’ and forget say, parts of homewood that havent been paved in 5-10 years.

Is it worthwhile to show the city how bike trails don’t need paving because we don’t make the impact cars do? I have been trying to convince my coworker that we should bring up that having trees shade asphalt helps it stay whole longer because it sheilds it from the heat in summer… but nothing helps the salt-freeze-thaw problem….


gimpPAC
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They patched the penn circle west holes before feb but i am sure that isn’t going to last

You’re right they did, but the snow plows totally dug them back up, so it seems.


scott
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By the way, this is all about safety. Which streets, most heavily used by cyclists, are currently the most dangerous due to potholes. This is not about just asking for a pet project to serve a handful of folk’s needs — Mick! ;-). It’s all about keeping cyclists safe.


brian j
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Caitlin, I’m guessing that if some of the trails got regular maintenance, like the streets do, we’d see potholes. Certainly, bikes are significantly easier on the roads, but salt, combined with the plow and a few freeze-thaw cycles will muck up any stretch of asphalt. I think many folks will need new sidewalks after this winter because of that….

Also, agreed about the whole neighborhoods of choice thing.


rsprake
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Liberty Ave is a mess in the Bloomfield business district. I have seen worse, but this is the worst street on my commute and it gets a lot of bike traffic. Where a bike is supposed to be, out of the door zone is all pot holes.


scott
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Rev Burgess is introducing a bill to make sure that streets in our poorer neighborhoods get more money for paving. The Dir of DPW is against this saying that the money should be split up equally amongst all six DPW districts.


quizbot
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I’ll 2nd Liberty Ave. Inbound cement surface for the block after the bridge is particularly dangerous.


alankhg
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“Fifth between Bellefield and Craig is a nightmare.”

+1. there is a pothole in front of St paul’s so big that I could lay down in it and not get hit by a car…in fact, I think I might.

They patched this last night.


Lyle
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nothing helps the salt-freeze-thaw problem…. proper drainage, and a well-sealed surface, would do a great deal. But you’d have to tear the streets up and rebuild them to modern standards, instead of just buttering on a layer of asphalt over a 19th century cobble street with steel rails on it.


StuInMcCandless
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Someone please check on this, but the last I rode on it (November), Brighton Rd inbound between Oliver HS and California Avenue was another nut buster. This is a fairly bicycle-busy street, on one preferred path into/outa town from Brighton Hts and Shadeland Ave, that hasn’t been paved in decades. Old concrete. Downhill, you have to take the lane, and always have a car on your butt. One big hole and you’re history.


ieverhart
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Many of the potholes on the Fifth Avenue moonscape of death were filled in, but there are a few remaining as of 30 minutes ago. The monsters are mostly taken care of–I read somewhere that the “cold patch” works best/only on potholes over two inches deep (or something along those lines) and a “hot patch” (maybe requiring warm weather? I don’t exactly remember) has to be applied to the shallower potholes. In any case, it’s a great improvement but hardly perfect.

Scott– I think it would be interesting to overlay your map of Bike Pittsburgh members over the city council district lines. I suspect (from briefly seeing it at the members’ meeting) that there would be not that many members in Councilman Burgess’s district, though I obviously don’t know for sure. Just one brief meditation here, that the most under-served communities (who would benefit with more money) generally would not necessarily line up with the areas that would benefit most (from a safety or just smooth riding perspective) from re-paving oriented towards principal bike routes. Does Bike Pittsburgh want to take a stand on “equity” so that people living on pothole-heavy streets in Homewood (and elsewhere) would be inclined to try riding a bike, or should we focus on maintaining and supporting good levels of infrastructure in those areas where people ride bikes already? The discussion on sexism in the bike scene a few weeks back may have some parallels with respect to race–I’m just going with my gut here, without any real numbers, but in a city that is 25-30 percent African American, but I don’t see anything like that proportion of bikers who are black–maybe someone else on the board does. I’ll stop here before hijacking the thread further–but it’s an interesting (to me at least) dimension to the debate.


StuInMcCandless
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@ieverhart, the Beaver / California / Brighton / NCharles / Perrysville (i.e. North Side) areas mentioned in my/swalfoort/reddan’s posts are very skewed African-American. So, you’re not really all that off-thread.

Oh right, North Charles. Meant to mention that with my Brighton post. Nicest slope to Observatory Hill on a public street.

Tying all that together, there might just BE more of an African-American commuter cycling scene if the major streets had half-decent pavement.


Lyle
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@ieverhart – too late, you just hijacked the thread.

I think you’re just not seeing them because they’re not riding like you do. Different places, different times of day, different purposes. There are a LOT of black kids on bikes, lots of utility cycling, somewhat less recreational cycling – but those guys are out there too.


floggingdavy
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Friendship ave around the park has some bad spots. Especially on the East Side of Friendship Park up til about Winebiddle or so. There were cracks there before this winter and they have expanded into so wheel-eating holes.


spakbros
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Liberty Ave is a mess in the Bloomfield business district. I have seen worse, but this is the worst street on my commute and it gets a lot of bike traffic. Where a bike is supposed to be, out of the door zone is all pot holes.

+1

The scary part is that the cars have to swerve constantly to avoid the holes themselves. I can deal with rough roads on a bike but not getting clipped by a truck that’s avoiding them too.


Ohiojeff
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The scary part is that the cars have to swerve constantly to avoid the holes themselves.

http://www.post-gazette.com/robrogers/

(March 1, 2010 cartoon)


ieverhart
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@Stu and @Lyle, I’m glad to be corrected. Lyle’s probably right about different times and places.


steevo
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Friendship just east of the park (houses with fancy

lights for holidays.)… looks like Dresden


brian j
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Northbound Negley between Ellsworth and Friendship got incredibly worse over the the weekend. I would not want to drive a car between Baum and Centre, as it is absolutely riddled with girnormous potholes.


raphael
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I think the most pressing issue is that this thread should have been called, in true pittsburghese, “What streets need repaved first”


rsprake
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Liberty was getting it’s holes patched this morning. Not that it helps those of us on bikes much.


caitlin
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Morewood between center and ellesworth is a nightmare. there is a hole that stretches the entire width of the road.


brian j
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The monsters on Ellsworth between Ivy and Negley have been patched. Negley betwixt Baum and Centre is still horrible. Between the lack of tarmac and very large pile of snow blocking part of one lane, it’s kinda nutty at rush hour.


dmtroyer
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The monsters on Ellsworth between Ivy and Negley have been patched. Negley betwixt Baum and Centre is still horrible. Between the lack of tarmac and very large pile of snow blocking part of one lane, it’s kinda nutty at rush hour.

Don’t forget about centre ave within the same radius. That whole intersection was a cluster* before the winter and now look at it.


mangmang
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Centre Avenue is a very dangerous road to ride on right now. Centre between Shadyside hospital and the intersection with Penn has inches-deep ruts every few feet. Has to be the worst bicycle-traveled road in town.


mangmang
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Worst road I have biked in the East End. Road that endangers my life on a daily basis. Repave plz ._.

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