What streets need to be repaved first

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WillB
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Main between Penn and Butler just got milled too. And just a few days before that, they patched all the potholes. Great planning work Pittsburgh!


HiddenVariable
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i ride main every day now (well, fisk and 42nd the past day and a half), and i can’t tell you how excited i am for this! i felt like i was taking my life into my hands going down main, especially if a car was stupid enough to try to pass me on the way down.

as for the patching, yeah it’s funny, but there was a hole that was at least a foot across and a good two inches deep (or more). i’m not entirely against patching that sucker for three or four days.


erok
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So, when friendship gets repaved, are they going to immediately repaint the sharrows and finish the bike lanes that should be by the park?

very good question.

Main between Penn and Butler just got milled too. And just a few days before that, they patched all the potholes.

maybe this will answer it.


robjdlc
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Dear city,

It would be super cool to get a heads up for when you’re gonna mill a road.

Sincerely,

My taint after riding through friendship park on my way home from work.


brian j
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Ellsworth was closed at evening rush hour, too. It appears the road was completely milled, so maybe they were getting a jump on a layer of tarmac?

Also, Hamilton has an initial layer of tarmac as well, but I believe the road is not finished yet.


salty
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Hm… I might have bypassed something this morning since I was riding down Ellsworth east of Maryland and it was already milled. It was an improvement. :)


robjdlc
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The funny thing about Friendship is that the milled road is indistinguishable from the way it normally is, so its hard to see.


Steven
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It would be super cool to get a heads up for when you’re gonna mill a road.

The city’s way ahead of you (sorta). As the mayor’s 2012 paving announcement says, they’re posting paving announcements to Twitter. Though it seems like they’re only announcing a fraction of the paving they’re doing, and the rest is slipping through the cracks (so to speak).

Maybe they need encouragement to tweet more.


edmonds59
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Cool! So now instead of one guy working and 4 guys watching, the road crews will have 1 guy working and 4 guys tweeting. Or maybe they’ll add a designated tweeter to the crew.

Maybe an employment program for 15 yr old grls! “pching llswrth, suky rd! lol! <3”


emilyWools
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what a great idea to make a twitter account for this!!!! thanks, PGH!


buffalo buffalo
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hmph. too bad their ‘twitter announcements’ are obfuscated links to PDFs…


StuInMcCandless
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Nooooooo, not PDFs. I don’t know why anyone creates PDF pages when HTML usually is sufficient. Text, logos, photos. What do PDFs have that HTML lacks, that makes them so popular? Putting it in a PDF is a guarantee that I am not going to read it, not even going to try to read it.


ejwme
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pdf can be printed from a word document by someone who doesn’t know how to create an htms thingie. Besides, pdfs are somehow less editable in many people’s minds.

so in order to know what they’re going to pave and when, one must be a Twit? I don’t tweet, as there’s very little I feel the need to be updated via text by so constantly that I’m not married to. But SOME up to date information on road work SHOULD be available online, no? Or are we bypassing 2000-2009 technology completely the way we bypassed 1990-1999?


StuInMcCandless
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I started following them and sent them a nice tweet thanking them for attending to Perrysville at long last.

If they have the text, they can do a simple “Save As” from Word and save it in HTML format, and upload that to their website. 1998 technology at its finest, and works just fine in 2012.

On PDFs: On my ancient machine at home, firing up a PDF means I have time to go make myself a sandwich while it loads.

All that just to have a virtual photocopy of Luke’s signature? Overkill, IMHO.


ejwme
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Stu, that’s assuming the person making the document is functional in 1998 technology. Chances are they missed that bit. I suppose we should be glad they’re making ANYTHING available, even if it’s cumbersome or presumptuous technologically.


Steven
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Their web site uses a content management system, so they probably can’t just upload a new file. I imagine they’d have to send it over to the office in charge of updating the web site.

I think the idea of using a public site like Twitter instead makes sense, but the choice of Twitter in particular is not the best match. They’re announcing things week by week, not minute by minute, and the 140-character limit is pushing them toward linking PDFs.

I suspect a blogging site would be a better match, ideally one that lets them paste formatted text copied directly from their press release. (They could paste this stuff on their existing Facebook account, but it doesn’t handle formatting, so they’d need to edit it first.)


StuInMcCandless
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Port Authority has been doing an awesome job with @PghTransit for almost three years now. They post a short pithy summary, with details on an HTML page. Example:

Temp stop changes: 71B, 71D, 75, P3, for work near 5th/Neville approx 9a-3p today. Details: http://ow.ly/aCOJd

Hey, they just started. But they have a great in-town example to (um) follow.

EDIT: Looks like old detours expire, so the example I showed you doesn’t work. But when current, they do.


Kayla
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I think the milled version of Ellsworth is better than what it was before.


buffalo buffalo
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> so in order to know what they’re going to pave and when, one must be a Twit?

Not necessarily. You can go to the account page and read the posts without being logged in or even having an account. Here’s this week’s, posted last Friday:

“Next week, DPW crews will be paving in Homewood: http://goo.gl/MVOz1&#8221;

Note that they’ve posted a shortened link–no longer necessary since they’re using the web interface, which does that automatically, then unpacks them for display so that people can see where you’re sending them–which, in turn, using your own preshortened links defeats. This one goes to http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/mayor/Paving4.30-5.4.pdf

Beyond the letterhead top & bottom, the entire content of that document is

Attention neighbors:

From April 30 to May 4, 2012, the City of Pittsburgh Department of Public Works

projects to pave the following streets in Homewood:

Hamilton Avenue From N. Murtland Street to Collier Street

From 5th Avenue to East Liberty Blvd

Kelly Street From Oakwood Street to 5th Avenue

Lincoln Avenue From Verona Road to Atwell Street at the bridge

Paving work is subject to weather conditions.

Expect possible traffic delays, be cautious of Public Works crews, and please drive

carefully!

Sincerely,

[image of mayor’s signature]

Luke Ravenstahl

Mayor, City of Pittsburgh

It would take about five minutes to write that in html, and maybe another five to get it standards-compliant.

As for the PGHTransit feed, here’s one that posted yesterday:

Detour w/o stop changes: 14 OV, for approx 1 month starting tomorrow for Beaver Ave ramp work. No stops affected. Info: http://ow.ly/aF31b

There, that wasn’t so hard, was it?


Anonymous
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I’ll vouch for Hamilton being a VAST improvement, even in it’s not quite finished state. Definitely was the worst stretch of my commute before this week.

Also, as of about 7:30ish tonight Friendship was milled at least from Winebiddle to the end of the parklet. Progress!


StuInMcCandless
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Confirmed, Perrysville milled from Marshall to North Charles. Kinda weird on the motorcycle, similar to riding in snow. Haven’t tried it on the bicycle yet.


Steven
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This evening they’re milling Forbes from Murray to Beechwood. The stretch of Forbes through Frick Park, from S Dallas to S Braddock, is also on the list for some time this year.


Pierce
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I think my prayers are being answered… looks like they’re doing Greenfield Ave today


StuInMcCandless
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Perrysville *south* of North Charles was getting milled when I went through, at least as far as the upper Federal St corner. Here’s hoping they continue down to the lower Federal St corner, as that pavement sucks big-time.


ejwme
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Looks like they’re planning on doing a lot of roads that cross Braddock, but not Braddock itself. Poo.


buffalo buffalo
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Perrysville below the Presbyterian Home is mostly concrete, isn’t it? Don’t know if they /can/ mill-&-pave it like they do asphalt streets.

(Sure would be nice if they’d patch some of the gaps, tho.)


Benzo
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Looks like Main, Friendship, and Ellsworth are set to be paved this week.


stefb
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Just curious as to why a road would be milled but then there is a delay of a week before its paved if the weather isn’t bad? It just seems like it would make sense to do it quickly. I am sure there’s good reason. I feel like someone had ADD and kinda left in the middle of doing Ellsworth


edmonds59
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Contractors rent the milling machine for some time period, like a week or 2, so they do as much milling as they can for the time period. Then they rent the paver that puts down the asphalt for a similar time, and do that in a continuous run. It’s all just scheduling.


AtLeastMyKidsLoveMe
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I saw Friendship was milled, taking the sharrows with it. Will those be re-applied?


rsprake
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The positive cynic in me says that they will be thermoplastic, but not until October.


StuInMcCandless
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stefb
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Ellsworth is paved! it is really nice. However, there are a few manhole covers that stick up a bit. I hope that they are going to smooth it out around them. there was still heavy machinery parked on the side of the road for the night, so maybe they aren’t done. There is one manhole cover in particular that is on the far right side (outbound) and if there is shade from the tree it is next to, it may be hard to see.


HiddenVariable
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yeah, rode on ellsworth a bit today, it is not at all finished. it’s got a nice layer of asphalt down, but they will but at least another layer, probably mixed with something harder.

it is nice, though! it was nice when it was tore up, cuz it was still better to bike on than it had been, and cars avoided the hell out of it. but riding on the new, soft, smooth blacktop, you feel like a pioneer. on a bike!


brian j
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The road surface is finished now, but lines have yet to be painted.

Interestingly, the troublesome utility hole covers between Copeland and Ivy are still recessed quite a bit, so you’ll still need to be mindful of your line.


robjdlc
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I’ve never been so happy to take friendship before. Oh man. So nice/


Pierce
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Greenfield Ave is done, with lines painted

Now how do we get sharrows on the down hill?


buffalo buffalo
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There’s been a bunch of work in the Bayard/Craig area–Monday morning Bayard was entirely closed west of Craig, and Dithridge north of Fifth, while they milled it; this morning Craig was closed SB from Centre to Bayard while they repaired the collapsed sewer vault at the Bayard intersection. (Both were open by the time I was heading home, but that was 7ish.)

Also, Kirkpatrick has been milled from Bentley (about halfway up the hill) to Centre.


melange396
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^^ what pierce said

the uphill (aka sidewalk) needs some love too


dmtroyer
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@rob +1

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