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letters to the editor

These letters are no longer about the hit and run but now are about cyclists and the law. There is one today in response to the Karl letter earlier this week.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11160/1152406-110-0.stm


The cycling community needs to keep the responses coming on this so our view is fairly represented in the media.


sarah_q
2011-06-09 11:11:23

just sent this (totally used the water guns/hand guns analogy too - thank you!)


I am exceedingly tired of people portraying cyclists as scofflaw vagabonds, out to terrorize poor motorists just trying to drive to deliver alms to the poor or whatever.


YES cyclists sometimes break the law. Sometimes it's done in ignorance. Sometimes it's done out of spite or because they perceive themselves to be in too big a hurry. I'll not excuse them at all for that, I think it's reprehensible and agree they should be cited for their transgressions - JUST LIKE MOTORISTS WHO DO THE SAME ARE. If they're not, that's a complaint to address to the police department, not the less than 5% of the population biking around town every day.


However there's a practical difference between your average cyclist breaking the law and your average motorist breaking the law. For example, say a person on a bicycle traveling as fast as he or she can (in the city that could be around 25-30 mph) decides to blow a red light and in the process slams into a school bus carrying 40 children to school. The cyclist is probably dead. The bicycle is destroyed. The bus is decently scratched and dented, the kids and driver probably need counseling, maybe a bandage or two. Now what if that person, instead of going as fast as they could on a bicycle, were traveling as fast as they could in an SUV? In the city, that's closer to 45-70mph. What would the school bus look like after that collision? Airbags and seat belts might give the SUV driver a chance to regret being in too much of a hurry, though the vehicle is likely destroyed. The bus full of kids? bus driver? How many ambulances would be needed? THAT is why cars, SUVs, and trucks have to pay registration fees and pass inspection, THAT is why drivers have to pass a written and practical state license exam, THAT is why a patrol car may not stop a cyclist but is more likely to stop a motorist. Because the laws of physics mandate motor vehicle operation be respected or paid for dearly on a scale that no miscreant cyclist could ever achieve. Saying cyclists should go through the same obstacles to ownership and operation as motor vehicle operators is like saying water pistols should have the same limits as hand guns. It only makes sense to people who don't understand the difference between them or to bitter and spiteful people looking to "punish" others the way they perceive themselves to be "punished" with requirements for their own safety.


When people who drive 3,500 pound vehicles at 10-30 miles per hour above the speed limit through intersections on "pink" lights are treated like the psychopaths that they are by society and police on patrol, I will join in the chorus of rage against cyclists who roll through stop signs slower than most cars do and the police who ignore them. Until then, I'm sorry, but I can't share in the indignation.


(noted - I think I got the #s wrong on vehicle weight, I think it's 3.5 ton, making it 7000 pounds. still.)


ejwme
2011-06-09 15:12:46

I suppose we could all write a letter to the editor every time we see a motorist do something we don't like, or is illegal. We could use that wide all inclusive brush to include all motorists in with that letter's menitoned activity.


But I don't have enough free hours in a day to do so as I would be writing numerous

letters on a daily basis.


helen-s
2011-06-09 16:44:58

Or every time someone is seriously injured in a car crash or someone drives into a living room.


rsprake
2011-06-09 16:48:33

by all means, then, since there's no point, lets all just give up.


ejwme
2011-06-09 17:00:41

I was actually quite serious. I think it would be hilarious.


rsprake
2011-06-09 17:07:55

Over the past few days I've seen quite a few letters authored by Western Pennsylvania Wheelmen published in the P-G and the Trib.


Perhaps we should develop a list of folks to submit letters, as the papers typically limit an individual to one letter every few months.


By circulating through a long list of BikePGH members it would ensure our perspective is published and BikePGH remains a relevant and active group.


sloaps
2011-06-09 17:49:52

"the recumbent-bike. Just keep right away from those big buggers or you'll get viciously sideswiped by a bearded old hippie with an engineering degree."


ha!


cburch
2011-06-09 18:43:44

We don't all have engineering degrees.


reddan
2011-06-09 18:54:51

but you do have beards


aaron-s
2011-06-09 19:21:00

Even the women, yes. We're like dwarves in that respect.


reddan
2011-06-09 19:22:26

+1 to sloaps idea. I just got cc'd on another letter to the editor to the Trib from a member.


so... who's interested in being called on by Erok or me to write letters going forward?


scott
2011-06-09 19:36:15

I very haltingly went to the letter linked in the original post, and I was not disappointed. Ughh. Clouds.


Then karma smiled, and a rap song came on at the break of Democracy Now!, and the beginning of the song was


First they ignore you.

Then they make fun of you.

Then they fight you.

Then you win.


Yes.


edmonds59
2011-06-09 19:36:17

@Lou == THAT ARTICLE IS BRILLIANT!!


Yeah, cyclists as bullies -ha!


I'm all in for keeping an steady number of letters set to the editor to expose our views!


bikeygirl
2011-06-09 19:50:56

so... who's interested in being called on by Erok or me to write letters going forward?


feel free to put me down. i don't often do such things, but i think it's about time i started.


hiddenvariable
2011-06-09 20:39:37

cool. pm me your contact info. that goes for everyone interested.


scott
2011-06-09 20:53:56

I already had a letter printed. I agree this is a good idea.


sarah_q
2011-06-09 21:21:15

Here's the who, what, when, where and why for submitting letter to the Post Gazette, and another link for the Tribune Review.


And I can't submit for a month or so because of this one.


sloaps
2011-06-09 22:05:03

I'm gonna go out and terrorize some SUVs right now!


mick
2011-06-09 22:13:33

Jeez. That's a good one to start with.


rsprake
2011-06-10 02:13:51

Just sent this to the Trib. In my experience, keeping it short helps. This is barely 100 words:


Two experienced, law-abiding cyclists got run down and seriously injured by a hit-and-run driver, and now too many people to list are hating cyclists just for being there. Most cyclists do obey the rules. We are entitled to use the road, same as cars. We are also growing in numbers, probably permanently, if gas prices are any guide. As to rolling through stop signs, remember how everyone so rigidly held to 55 mph on expressways from 1974 to 1995? The law needs changed. Idaho allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yields, red lights as stop signs.


Scott, put me on your list.


stuinmccandless
2011-06-10 07:56:34

Stu, +1 for concise.


edmonds59
2011-06-10 13:43:18

yeah, I suck at concise.


ejwme
2011-06-10 14:52:17

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte.

- blaise pascal


("i have only made this [letter] longer because i did not have time to make it shorter.")


hiddenvariable
2011-06-10 15:23:58

How 'bout a running (or annual) bar chart comparing "serious accidents & injuries caused by negligent motorized vehicles" vs "serious accidents & injuries caused by negligent pedalcyclists"?


Yesterday's Post-Gazette had this hopeful news about texting while driving, though new fines do not always mean increased enforcement.


pseudacris
2011-06-10 15:37:48

Stu, you are clearly from Pittsburgh. "The law needs TO BE changed." Emphasis mine... The way you wrote it lends credibility given it's heading for the letters sec of a local paper.


bradq
2011-06-10 19:35:04

Hey, he was just trying to reduce the word count.


dwillen
2011-06-10 19:35:31

I have a B.A. in English, a concentration in Linguistics, and am an absolute stickler for spelling, punctuation, and proper grammar. The missing "to be" is entirely intentional.


I also know my audience, and have written easily 150 LTTEs over the years. To have the proper effect, you need to get inside the heads of the readers. The average Trib reader is white, 52, male, lives in the outer suburbs, and owns or used to own four cars. That fits me perfectly.


PG letter: 137 words or less. Trib: 100 or less. Trim, or they'll trim for you.


stuinmccandless
2011-06-10 21:01:20

No, seriously, I'm not doubting that you knew what you were doing with that one.


bradq
2011-06-10 21:21:16

+1 on the missing infinitive. Nice work, Stu.


scott
2011-06-11 18:52:26

If we wish to put our discussion into play, there was a hit and run at liberty and 40th. Car ran into a house. No witnesses, apparently.


Perhaps a letter expressing the dangers of operating motor vehicles and citing this incident as precisely why registration, licensing and insurance are necessary for these vehicles and not bicycles.


sloaps
2011-06-12 15:39:01

sloaps and I just did a mind meld. I just posted the same thing to the Wash Blvd Hit & Run thread.


scott
2011-06-13 12:22:54

Is there a link somewhere to the house collision?


rsprake
2011-06-13 13:01:04

Houses should have to be licensed and go to safety classes.


rsprake
2011-06-13 14:13:24

Man, it's bad enough on the sidewalk but even on the playground those damn kids can barely stay out of the way of cars! What is a driver supposed to do with that kind of crap to contend with?


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11170/1154903-53.stm


salty
2011-06-19 15:00:43

ok, i refrained from posting a bunch more articles from the PG (including a hit and run on a 3 year old, wtf?), but this is an unmatched display of idiocy:


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11170/1154496-109.stm


but, of course, i forgot - things like "science" and "math" are just liberal plots to get teabaggers to believe things that aren't true. the evidence is all right there in the graphs, plain as day!


salty
2011-06-19 15:15:00

The correlation is very strong, salty. Talking on a cell phone and texting clearly saves lives. I am going to call my insurance carrier up right now and ask for a frequent texter discount.


dwillen
2011-06-19 16:02:52

I'm surprised they didn't change the range from 5m to 7m to make the "accident" decrease seem larger.


Maybe that's it, maybe they are only counting the crashes that were actually accidents--if you were texting or talking while crashing, they assumed it wasn't an accident, but just neglectful.


ndromb
2011-06-19 16:43:50



dwillen
2011-06-19 16:57:12

Puts me in mind of a line I have usually seen attributed to Mark Twain -- "There are lies, and damn lies. And then there are statistics."


cdavey
2011-06-19 16:59:58



salty
2011-06-19 17:57:24