Pittsburgh of the Future

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ejwme
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Cue space age music, the future is here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10347/1110389-53.stm

I like the idea for things they called “river bus” but I’ve cleverly identified as my favorite form of mass transit, the ferry.


Lyle
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Dig the blue sky and the blue water and all the pretty white people. I bet if their presentation had smells, there would be fresh baked goods, cinnamon and roses.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but really, this is porn. Futurists have been cranking out stuff like this for a hundred years, and the future never turns out like the fantasy.


Pseudacris
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I bet if their presentation had smells, there would be fresh baked goods, cinnamon and roses.

cupcakes.


Mick
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@lyle – you mean that you don’t think the rivers will end up being slightly cleaner than the cleanest spring-fed lake I’ve ever seen?

Cynic.


Pseudacris
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I’m a cynic for sure, BUT, I thought it was interesting that Schenley Plaza was from a student concept, according to the article. I do think different ideas would come from students since they’re more likely to walk, bus, and bike around the city. And, I have to tip my helmet to Eve Picker, a developer & cyclist & one of the professors of the class that made this report. She’s been WAY ahead of the downtown development pack in terms of imagining downtown as a place where people might actually want to live.


ejwme
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oh pooh.

I like river busses (ferries!).

And if students can eliminate parking in Oakland and put in green spaces and get one way streets remarked, they can get me ferries. I believe in them. Besides, every year, there are more of them, so if this batch doesn’t make good, the next might :D


salty
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“The Mon-Fayette Expressway is $4 billion to drive from Braddock to Oakland,” he [Peduto] said. “Imagine if $4 billion were put toward this.”

Not a bad tagline


Lyle
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I like ferries, but powerboats pollute too. Quite a bit, in fact.


Pseudacris
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dwillen
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Aboard one of the abras (water taxies) in Dubai. In a city where you could spend $28,000 for one night in a hotel, I am still amazed it was only 1 dirham ($0.27 US) to cross the river in one of these. If I lived there, I’d take it everyday. Unfortunately, during my entire trip, I could count the number of bicycles I saw on one hand.


ejwme
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power boats don’t pollute when they run off hopes and dreams :D


Pseudacris
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nice photo, dwillen


Mick
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@ejwme power boats don’t pollute when they run off hopes and dreams

Sail boats run on hope and dreams. Power boats use fossil fuels.


nick
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water transport is probably the most fuel efficient mode of motorized transit (not counting speed boats which are stupid). i’d suppose the particulate emissions are similar to a pat bus, both being run on diesel.

what were the proposed waterbus routes?


ejwme
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nick – up and down the rivers, of course :D


cburch
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Sail boats run on hope and dreams. Power boats use fossil fuels.

now i miss my (sail) boat. thanks.


reddan
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Really cool boats don’t always need fossil fuels. (Admittedly, sail is still intended to be the primary power source…)


ejwme
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I’d thought of a mass-pedal boat, like a 30 person version of those little two person things on ponds. That would be cool. But the off hour people would have their work cut out for them.


Lyle
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Wheels are far more efficient than propellers. Also, aerodynamic resistance saps a whole lot less energy than hull drag does. You don’t get fuel-efficient ferries without hydroplanes. I don’t know of any boats that use catalytic converters, and until you get into the really big boats, they exhaust underwater. Yeah, diesel bong water for the fishies.


nick
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i can move a 100 ton barge with my bare hands.


Mick
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Nick’s right (maybe). Ton by ton, water travel is cheaper than the most efficient wheels. That tends to be at speeds slower than your typical randoneur, though.


ejwme
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water travel also has the bonus of being on water, rather than pavement. On a scale of awesomeness, water in most forms wins over pavement in most forms.


edmonds59
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All this talk of sailing and ice and lakes in the other thread makes me wish I could try ice boat racing. That sht looks ridiculous.


ejwme
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wouldn’t the boat melt?


edmonds59
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Ha! I guess that’s why you have to go fast!


ejwme
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heh, I guess the loser ends up in the drink, and the drinks end up in the winner.


edmonds59
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cburch
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i have always wanted to ice boat. it looks like so much fun.

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