Sharrow Fail on Millvale
Can we please just get rid of that ‘lane’ on Millvale Ave Bridge? I’m lucky that I have few dangerous interactions with drivers, but they all seem to happen on this bridge—Even at speed, I get honked at and close-passed by drivers who seem to believe that the fact a bike lane exists, even one overrun with gravel and debris as this one perpetually is, requires a cyclist to use it. (It happened again tonight–at 20+mph I was honked at aggressively, then passed at about 2′, by a car…which then made an unsignalled left at Yew St just off the bridge…)
At the very least, I’d like to request sharrows alongside the bikelane marking to indicate that using either is acceptable.
(By the way, over a year later, the sharrows between Baum and Centre are still pointing at parked cars.)
Benzo wrote:The following reply has been made to Ticket ID #24383:
We have notified the appropriate personnel about this issue. The Service Request ID Number associated with this request is 274571.
I’ve submitted a new ticket, #49618, referencing this one and noting that 15 months later nothing has been done.
I had some guy lay on his horn for a long time while I was outside the bike lane on the bridge passing two slower cyclists, He wasn’t happy when I gave him the finger, and pulled in to the bike lane twice in front of me to ‘send me a message’. I just pulled out my phone and started taking pictures of his car and license plate, he left pretty quickly.
Should you proceed at the same distance from the curb indicated by the sharrows before the bridge, or should you slide over to the right in to the bike lane for the length of the bridge and merge back in to the lane position of the sharrows on the other side of the bridge?
Being someone that rides with a mirror to see what is behind me, it makes that situation very simple. I would move to the right on the bridge and time my remerge back into the lane between cars behind me. I find that doing that will also make drivers more happy because some had a chance to pass. Of course I most likely pass them back at the next light, but that is another thread.
Sharrows were recently painted on N Highland Ave between Penn Cir N and E Liberty Ave (yay!) … but as on Millvale the sharrows point you directly into a line of legally parked cars (boo!). How is it possible that nobody involved realizes how inane and dangerous this is?
because there is something lost in translation between the people making the decisions and the crew actually painting the marks.
guy in office does research, checks variables against known installation patterns, verifies state regulations, works in community feedback, plans accordingly.
guy on road crew goes to site, drops a stencil on the road, sprays some paint, goes home.
(situation hypothesized within 96% accuracy.)
scott wrote:Those parking spaces are to be removed. When you ask? God only knows.
Parking meters on millvale between center and baum removed, and replaced with new computer pay box. Sharrow still points in to legally parked cars.
I have found that when 311 doesn’t work, getting your city councilperson involved (if the problem is in their district) is helpful. They have staff who specifically work on things like this, and are responsive.
I sent a 311 about the Millvale sharrows. Apparently it was planned as a bike lane but there has been hesitation to remove the metered spaces. There are four parking lots on that street. I think we can afford to lose what, four?, spaces.
jonawebb wrote:I have found that when 311 doesn’t work, getting your city councilperson involved (if the problem is in their district) is helpful. They have staff who specifically work on things like this, and are responsive.
FWIW, Highland btwn Penn and Penn Circle I believe is district 9 (Burgess). Millvale btwn Centre and Baum is district 8 (Peduto), or possibly 7 (vacant).
sharrows have been added to Atwood and lanes have been added to S.Bouqet (from Forbes down to Joncaire.)
pbeaves wrote:sharrows have been added to Atwood and lanes have been added to S.Bouqet (from Forbes down to Joncaire.)
This is good. I’m curious to see if they influence drivers behavior on s Bouquet.
pbeaves wrote:lanes have been added to S.Bouqet (from Forbes down to Joncaire.)
Clarification: Lanes run (both directions) from Sennott to Joncaire. The two short blocks between Fifth and Forbes and Forbes and Sennott retain the parking lane, as does the section from Joncaire past Bates to Dawson.
Will be interesting to see what happens to North Bouquet and the upper sections of South B when Pitt finishes the Public Health buildings construction and reopens the section above Fifth. It was previously parking on both sides, but…
The upper bit of Bouquet is (was) a Pitt parking lot. I suspect it will be the same unless the new addition includes significant parking. It’s not a through street so maybe some sharrows would be enough to make bikers happy. I used Bouquet in the past but eventually concluded that the continuity of the sidewalk at Fifth somehow indicated that this was not a real street. Thackeray works just fine.
The traffic along Bouquet is necessarily pretty slow, so cars are not a problem for bikers. I usually just take the lane; I’ve yet to get honked or buzzed. On the other hand the intersections at Rbt Clemente and Jonquaire are a mess; drivers and bikers (at least me) never quite seem to know how the precedence works.
And speaking of Jonquaire, it really really needs to have one side converted to a bike path. The left side (looking down) seems like the obvious one. And an excellent opportunity for Pitt, the owner of the fronting property, to demonstrate its support of the biking community (Pitt students and staff being regular bikers on that street). And the city cleans up the right side for pedestrians.
And speaking of Bouquet, why is there an N and an S? I thought the north/south divider in Pittsburgh was Center St. What happened? Does Pitt completely own the N bit?
Ahlir – if I Google jonquaire pittsburgh the only real hits I get are your posts. Did it used to be spelled that way, is it a personal campaign to change the spelling, or just a mistake? Fwiw, I kind of like riding up it, but I don’t like riding blocks/cobbles downhill.
5th is the N/S dividing line for Neville and streets west (Craig, Dithridge, Bellefield, Bouquet). For Millvale and east (all the way to Trenton) it’s Penn.
Benzo wrote:This is good. I’m curious to see if they influence drivers behavior on s Bouquet.
Damn, I actually thought this was on lower Neville ave / Boundry st. I was confused. I’m still not sure why we don’t have sharrows here, as this is a HUGE bike throughway. Maybe bike-pgh and/or the city has better plans for this stretch. I’m hoping so.
I like Joncaire as well. And sorry about the spelling; I’ve been confusing the street name with a different place name. Here’s something about the person.
As further penance, I offer the following:
Joncaire’s Blockhouse: 1719(21), Niagara Falls, Niagara County. Also known as Fort Joncaire, and Magazin Royal. Daniel Joncaire, French “white indian”, built a stockaded cabin and warehouse for trading, in Lewiston at the foot of the portage (base of gorge) about 7 miles from the future Fort Niagara.
As far as I know, N Bouquet is a publicly accessible st. I’ve used it before. It’s a good route to get from, say, the Pete/Sutherland to Joncaire St since Oakland ave is one-way heading toward the hill. It’s also good if you’re coming into Oakland via Bayard st and don’t want to ride on Fifth ave. Just hang on Bayard until it turns into O’Hara, go up a small hill, and coast down N Bouquet to Joncaire. There is a light and everything at Fifth, so I feel like it’s ok, @Ahlir, although Thackery is fine too if that’s your preference.
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